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Old 01-18-2018, 10:33 AM   #1
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Safety chain removal

I have a Provan Ind. hitch lock but I thinking about removing my safety chains when stored. I would reattach my chains using locking quick links. The links that are welded to the frame would remain as attachment points. These links are rated at 4,000 lbs each. This would prevent someone from using the safety chains to steal the trailer.

Has anybody done this before and am I over thinking this? My chains will not lock inside my hitch lock.
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Old 01-18-2018, 10:48 AM   #2
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No Matter what you do if they want to steal your trailer they will get it . Unless you remove your wheels .
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:11 PM   #3
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More like, unless you remove your axles and the frame. But them you are at risk the scrap hunters will pick you.

Not many reports here that detail trailers stolen. May be a fault in our thread management. How about an "Airstream/kin Stolen" thread. Could discuss prevention methods too.

I would think that your approach to remove the chains has merit. The counter point is that being focused on this type of detail extends setup cycle time. Up to a point it has value. Beyond that point it degrades time allocated to use. The efficient method would be to reverse the chain attachment. Permanent on the tow vehicle and temp on the coach. Not a concept that is normal so not comfortable to embrace but worth considering if safe and effective attachment hardware is used.

Best security protocol = towing and using your rig. Pat
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:32 PM   #4
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Hm. Now that's a bit of outside the box thinking, but it makes sense if there was a bigger set of sturdy rings, a slotted HEAVY steel plate spanning the A-frame (real easy to make), or eye bolts on the A-frame to put the typically largish chain hooks through.

That would be removable on both ends...

Gonna have to think about that one a bit. Could see a nice set of chains with the same locking hooks on BOTH ends to make it easy...and a bucket in the TV to store them in.
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Old 04-18-2018, 05:34 PM   #5
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Hm. Now that's a bit of outside the box thinking, but it makes sense if there was a bigger set of sturdy rings, a slotted HEAVY steel plate spanning the A-frame (real easy to make), or eye bolts on the A-frame to put the typically largish chain hooks through.

That would be removable on both ends...

Gonna have to think about that one a bit. Could see a nice set of chains with the same locking hooks on BOTH ends to make it easy...and a bucket in the TV to store them in.
IMHO (in my humble opinion) I think thatís the best answer so far. Just like my safety chains have a clevis slip hook with latch at the end that connects to my vehicle, I suppose I can cut one chain link at the other end and replace it with another of the same grade and size clevis slip hook with latch to my trailer frame? Iíd keep it with my WD hitch and paraphernalia when Iím not pulling. Obviously, without the WD hitch Iím not going anywhere, so the chains will be with my hitch. Problem solved.
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:26 PM   #6
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I really like that idea. A quick link or coupling link would work, too (but not a repair link). Iíve been thinking about how to store the trailer without chains and with a hitch cover/lock to make it less tempting to steal. A small switch in the battery box to disconnect the tongue jack (and then lock the battery box) would add an extra level of control, too. Canít take it as easily if you canít raise or lower the trailer onto a hitch. Tire covers are just another thing they have to deal with, and cable locks through tandem wheels are yet another step to slow someone down. Anything to make another trailer easier than mine.
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Old 04-18-2018, 06:28 PM   #7
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Idea of a latching clevis hook on both ends was to eliminate the necessity for finding the correct end of the chain. Just grab and connect--both ends would be identical...

Trying to minimize the thurbligs...and the fumbling.
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Idea of a latching clevis hook on both ends was to eliminate the necessity for finding the correct end of the chain. Just grab and connect--both ends would be identical...

Thatís a great point.
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And I'm an overkill engineer, but an extraordinarily LAZY one. (some might consider that clever, but let's call it what it really is...)

Still trying to figure out some technological combinational computer and mechanical manipulator nightmare that would simply require me to back the TV up within say, three feet of the hitch, hit a button on a key fob, and the AS automagically retracts stabilizers, pulls and stows chocks, creeps forward, precisely mates and latches the ProPride stinger, connects the umbilical, tensions WD jacks properly, and also crosses and connects the safety chains.

Then it runs through full light and brake checks, whilst I study the map, or finish my cuppa morning tea in the cab of the TV. When complete, it issues a polite "Clear for launch" on the audio channel, and starts the TV engine for me.

You can see some of the progress in the 'Power WD Jack" thread, and the EZConnector web site for magnetically-mated umbilical setups. The technology exists, and we can abuse it...
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If the 'hairpin' holding the chains has similar strength and alloy to the chain links, and is welded on properly, it's fine...it looks to be similar diameter to the links on it.

Only way to be sure is to pull test it to the chain's rated breaking strength, and see what happens. I'll bet the hairpin bends a lot, but probably would not let go.

Anybody volunteering to supply an Airstream for a quick test?

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I thought not...
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Greetings Just wanted to say Always check them Hooks The Shank That holds the chain on! Check them Hooks Shaft And Chains Often!
When Dropping The Trailer I Noticed And Yes Still Attached No Carter Pin ! You Have The
Hook and a Bolt Where Your Chain Hooks Too ! Need A Bent Carter Pin Holds Chain Attached ! Check That And Replace with a Heavy Pin!
That Carter Pin Bent Back Was Missing Completely! Please Check and carry Extra Carter Pins With You! This is The First Time In Many Many Years This Ever Happened!
Use A Heavy Duty Pin In That !! And Always Cross Them Chains When Towing!!
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Greetings i just came back with heavy duty cotter pins! I will change them both to avoid a major problem if them chains came off! Safety Has To Be Number One When Traveling!
See You Down The Road!!
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Greetings i just came back with heavy duty cotter pins! I will change them both to avoid a major problem if them chains came off! Safety Has To Be Number One When Traveling!
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I use what is commonly called egg butt same size as chains to secure to loop welded on bottom of A frame. A egg butt is is a loop open one end w/threads, other end has sleeve that screws onto threaded end. They are very strong & when screwed together will not pull apart, also when installing new chains as no hassle. IMO better than hooks both ends. One thing over time [years] they will be hard to unscrew just use a little never seize on threads then no prob.
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I just put a hook on both ends of the chain.
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Where did you find the hooks, and what is their load rating?

Iím planning something similar but have not found a good source for the hooks...
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Where did you find the hooks, and what is their load rating?

Iím planning something similar but have not found a good source for the hooks...


Tractor supply probably has that type of equipment
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Another way to go about it.
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Easy to bring their own chains, though ...
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True, but anything thatís going to slow a casual thief down a bit works in your favor.

I store in a very well-guarded lot, and I trust the resident managerís marksmanship. He has a clear line of sight from his residence to my trailer...and the locals know it.
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