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Old 06-05-2008, 03:04 PM   #71
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I gotta say, I don't get it. I'd think the little time it takes to secure your bikes in your trailer (and pull 'em out) would easily be worth the confidence that you're not causing rear separation, worsening your aerodynamics, and quite frankly (IMO) making the back of your rig look cluttered and hodge-podge. To me it almost defeats the whole point of that clean, wind-cheating shape we're all so proud of.

Besides, with a bunch of bikes hanging on the back, how do you expect people following you down the road to gaze at their own reflections?
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Old 06-06-2008, 11:48 AM   #72
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Your calculated risk of towing at 105% of you TV capacity is endangering you and everyone on the highway. You may be willing to take the risk but you are forcing everyone else on the road to take the risk with you. The fact that you even mention it seems to give the impression you are proud of your disregard for safety of yourself, family, and others. BTW that is not a calculated risk that is a sucker bet.
I wonder if these kinds of knee jerk, bashing post are really necessary???

We all drive on the highways of North America.

Over 95% of the drivers are “exceeding” the posted speed limits by 5 to 20% or more. Some even do it with TT's in tow. It's not right that this goes on but it does seem to be a way of life.

When you see one of these drivers on the roads around you, which is every few seconds do you think about the risks and safety concerns that are being forced on you? Maybe yes, maybe not.

In the bigger picture:

What I like about Garfield’s combination is the high regard for safety that you have missed????

He is using a pro setup which includes a "State of the Art", connection system.

He has a reinforced, HD receiver that was modified and improved to compliment his TT requirements.

He is using a top of the line Hensley Arrow.

The Jordon brake controller is one of the best available.

I believe ??? he has upgraded to a right sized LT tire.

He is towing the most advanced, best towing trailer available on the market and it was set up and put together by one of the worlds leading towing specialists.

I would have no problem whatsoever traveling on the same highway with Garfield and his rig and would appreciate it if all the other rigs on the road had similar details to safety.

By evaluating his complete setup I would speculate that it is one of the safest performing rigs on the roads today.
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Old 06-06-2008, 11:51 AM   #73
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I see you've met my wife! (see post #68)
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:07 AM   #74
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Thanks Garfield for the great pictures of your rack. We have been trying to figure out where to put bikes as well. Since the kayaks have to go on the TV that doesn't leave many options. Putting them on the front of the TV is negative...blocks lights and they get really dirty. We were also thinking a bit of weight in the back might be a good thing since we added about 50lb in the front with an invertor. I don't like them inside as they aren't terribly clean after riding them and it makes living inside difficult when traveling. We don't always go to a destination and park. Being on the move means the bikes stay put. The rack over the tanks looks interesting, thanks for that info as well. It is a difficult process to get all the necessities on the road. MJ
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Old 09-21-2008, 08:52 AM   #75
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Hi Dooley, I've considered doing the same

I have a very light, 12' aluminum Jon boat I'd like to have a solution for carrying when I take the AS. The boat and its trailer weigh less than 400 lbs. I had many of the same thoughts as you.

In Texas, the maximum length of trailer(s) and the tow vehicle is 65'. Double-trailering is allowed. I also called the State of Arkansas and they have no restrictions to preclude what is allowed in Texas. I consulted a local marine dealership and got some good advice from a man who has a 32' receiver hitched travel trailer and his bass boat on the back. He suggested the use of sway bars, as a minimum, on the TT-to-boat connection for maintaining control. He also suggested keeping the speed of travel down on highways (i.e. 55 mph), and traveling secondary roads and nighttime travel when/where there would be less large truck traffic to cause wind turbulence.

The other issue I've found is finding a welder who is willing to attach the receiver to the frame of the TT. Many welder are not willing to take the liability risk. If you do find a we;der who is willing to do the job, please let me know.

Otherwise, I'm still considering other options, like an easy-to-put-up-and-easy-to-take-down rack for my truck to carry the boat.

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Well, after going through to read more of the replies to this thread, I think I'll steer towards the rack for my truck. No need for the welder.
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Old 09-25-2008, 08:18 PM   #76
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I think U have made a wise decision Mark the Airsteam frame is just not suited for adding racks to the back of or hitches to make doubles or triples even if states allow it. I also have a Vintage Overlander that I would not modify in any way except for lighting or safety concerns. I know pple with SOB's do it but thats them,most SOB's have either a full frame or heavier frame therefore they are much heavier than Airstream.
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Old 07-12-2009, 03:08 PM   #77
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This seems to be the most appropriate thread for my request since it's mentioned many times here. Could someone who possesses and uses a roof-top bike rack on a full-size SUV please describe to me how you load the bikes up there?

I've got an Excursion and it has the factory roof rails. I'd like to get a bike rack for up there since I put a multitude of other things inside the AS and inside the Excursion when us and our two little ones go camping. However, what's stopping me is that I can't envision myself loading two bikes (two for now, will be four later) up there without needing a ladder and I'm not going to start hauling a ladder with me everywhere just so I can load & unload the bikes!
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[quote=atobols;720655]This seems to be the most appropriate thread for my request since it's mentioned many times here. Could someone who possesses and uses a roof-top bike rack on a full-size SUV please describe to me how you load the bikes up there?/quote]

I grab a ladder while at home and put them up there. The with what I have there is a track that I place both tires on and roll it forward into the front tire brace. It takes maybe a minute or two per bike and to set up the whole bike carrier now that I have some exp takes maybe 10 minutes. When at the campsite I either use my 3' ladder or I pull up next to the picnic table and unload them.

I have the Yakima King Cobra setup on my 2004 Suburban and have hauled 3 bikes up there several times totaling more than 2000 miles with the bikes up there with zero issues. I am sure there are easier ways than the roof, but it works great and I don't pull my rear end on the Safari apart.

If you are looking at a roof carrier, you start with the carrier clamps, then two poles, then one bike mount rack for each bike. I got my gear from a place called rackattack at www.rackattack.com ...at the time they had the lowest prices I could find several years ago. I like the fact that the roof carriers are not limited to just bikes...there are many accessories that Yakima makes that can carry many other things up there too.
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I've got an Excursion and it has the factory roof rails. I'd like to get a bike rack for up there since I put a multitude of other things inside the AS and inside the Excursion when us and our two little ones go camping. However, what's stopping me is that I can't envision myself loading two bikes (two for now, will be four later) up there without needing a ladder and I'm not going to start hauling a ladder with me everywhere just so I can load & unload the bikes!
I have an Excursion and when I bought it there were 5 things that I was advised to do to it before I drove it. Most importantly was redesign the front suspension system to correct the inherent steering problems, four wheel drive, and the second was never use the factory roof rack for anything. Any load on the rack will damage the roof and the roof is super thin metal.

I replaced the factory rack with a Thule system that I had to make additional supports for in order to hold my kayak and cargo box.
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:03 PM   #80
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This is how I do it.
I have attached an image I hope it works.
The lush vegetation is in Washington state not Colorado.
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PS: there are only two bikes. The two wheels in the center are the two front wheels.
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:21 PM   #81
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NOW THATS A COOL SETUP.
Nice job.
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Oops,
I am still learning how to use the forums. I didn't realize atabols had asked another question. Well at least I learned how to add a pic.
My only idea about getting bikes in a high place is a ladder. I am sure if I put the bikes on the roof, I would take them them off on some low clearance sooner or later.
For objects like the kayak, Yakima makes an extension that slides out of the end of the bar and allows you to get the kayak up to the bar and then move it over in place.
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:31 PM   #83
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NOW THATS A COOL SETUP.
Nice job.
Thanks Mike,
The only down side is that it takes two people to lift the tonneau to lower the tail gate. However it is a 3 piece tonneau and I can still access the truck bed through the two front compartments with the bikes in place.
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well, the only answer that really answers my question kinda re-iterates my skepticism about a roof rack. I can see myself standing on the running board of my Excursion trying to lift a bike into place and then falling backward, me and the bike, and the bike landing on top of me and me smacking my head on the ground. I'm beginning to think bikes are just going to have to be eliminated from our camping experience.
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