Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-05-2008, 05:18 PM   #29
ProPride, Inc.
Commercial Member
 
Sean Woodruff's Avatar
 
Grand Blanc , Michigan
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 618
Send a message via Skype™ to Sean Woodruff
Quote:
Originally Posted by HowieE View Post
Not having ever used a HaHa or PP my question for both is why can't the tensioners be replaced with the Reese chains and hangers. I would think it would be a lot faster hitch up and a much smoother looking installation if they were used. Besides the chains would give a consistent tension for weight distribution.

They have aways looked like an under engineered after thought.
The chains would not hold the hitch head in an upward position when unhitched. The solid connection in both the haha and the 3P acts as downward force on the end of the spring bar and holds the hitch head up when not connected to the tow vehicle.
__________________

__________________
ProPride Hitch
"The Next Generation in Trailer Sway Elimination"
Grand Blanc, MI
Tu ne cede malis
Sean Woodruff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 05:24 PM   #30
ProPride, Inc.
Commercial Member
 
Sean Woodruff's Avatar
 
Grand Blanc , Michigan
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 618
Send a message via Skype™ to Sean Woodruff
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2airishuman View Post
with a bracket modification this could happen...

BUT IT WOULD BE A HUGE STEP BACKWARD...

the screw jacks are a significant improvement over chains...

-much easier to tension
-way more increments of adjustment
-i've measured weight transfers for every turn, which is about 5-6 increments "per link" of conventional chain...
-it LOOKS much better/cleaner imo...
-the "consistent tension" should be indentical for the screw jacks (actually better since chains can be twisted)
-hook up is MUCH faster (related to the screw jacks) because they are "always" on...
-and fine tuning w/d during travel/after hookup is SO MUCH quicker and easier...
-there is NO need to hook up chains ever after the primary installation...

using a power drill is faster than using the manual rachet/wrench but even that is easy...

the funny thing about your observation howieE is that i've always had the opposite view...

and IF using the reese or "sob" hitch, i'd be looking for ways to ADD THE SCREW JACKS!

lastly because of the issues related to hooking up with a hitch of this design,

being able to quickly and in small increments reposition the hitch/stinger box is essential to hook ups...

moving the box with chains would be cumbersome and much less precise...

cheers
2air'

All excellent points.

The 3P jacks can be used with a chain on a conventional hitch...

Also, the 3P jacks will eventually have a tongue jack motor option.
__________________

__________________
ProPride Hitch
"The Next Generation in Trailer Sway Elimination"
Grand Blanc, MI
Tu ne cede malis
Sean Woodruff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 07:03 PM   #31
Rivet Master
 
HowieE's Avatar
 
1991 34' Excella
Princeton , New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,814
Images: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Woodruff View Post
The chains would not hold the hitch head in an upward position when unhitched. The solid connection in both the haha and the 3P acts as downward force on the end of the spring bar and holds the hitch head up when not connected to the tow vehicle.
The fact that they are bi directional answers the question. So I am assuming you have to release them by the amount of tension, in the WD bars, in order to have the tongue line up with the receiver when hitching.
__________________
WBCCI 12156 AIR 3144 WACHUNG TAC NJ6
2004 Excursion 4x4
1991 34 ft. Excella +220,000 miles, new laminated flooring, new upholstery, new 3200 lbs axles

HowieE is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 07:10 PM   #32
ProPride, Inc.
Commercial Member
 
Sean Woodruff's Avatar
 
Grand Blanc , Michigan
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 618
Send a message via Skype™ to Sean Woodruff
Quote:
Originally Posted by HowieE View Post
The fact that they are bi directional answers the question. So I am assuming you have to release them by the amount of tension, in the WD bars, in order to have the tongue line up with the receiver when hitching.
Yes, you have to release the tension for the hitch bar to unhitch out of the front of the hitch. They create quite a load inside the hitch head when distributing the weight. So much so that I had a customer call me the other day that just had his dealer install the 3P. He apparently never checked the dealers work or paid much attention to it... when he arrived at home, after a 100 mile trip, he found that the dealer had never even latched the over-center-latches on the hitch bar. THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED but it is indicative of the load that the bar has on it.
__________________
ProPride Hitch
"The Next Generation in Trailer Sway Elimination"
Grand Blanc, MI
Tu ne cede malis
Sean Woodruff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 07:15 PM   #33
2 Rivet Member
 
2008 31' Classic
Sweet Valley , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 92
some more pics

Yoke area and plates.....it does appear very stable...and feels very solid. My Ubolts are very close (1/8th inch) to the A frame cross support frame on the Airstream. and it also looks like the Yoke would prevent movement. I mean it just looks solid as hell to me...that said it would be easy to drill and place a couple bolts Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0396.jpg
Views:	117
Size:	805.7 KB
ID:	61838

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0395.jpg
Views:	147
Size:	738.0 KB
ID:	61839

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0394.jpg
Views:	115
Size:	825.2 KB
ID:	61840

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0393.jpg
Views:	130
Size:	678.2 KB
ID:	61841if one wanted to. I ain't no engineer, just my observation.

The jacks seem solid also with the u bolts and the additional tension with the bolts clamping against the frame
__________________
TROPHYJIM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 08:15 PM   #34
Rivet Master
 
RIstream'n's Avatar
 
2008 27' Safari FB SE
Cumberland , RI
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 506
PS Boy that wiring situation to the break away is really stupid the way the tank cover crimps down on the wiring. I'm getting some heavy rubber pieces of something under there to give it a bit of breathing room. You would think with new units off the line ....this nagging little issue would have been resolved by now.[/quote]

I cut a notch in the tank cover and used door edge guard to trim it. It looks like that's the way it's supposed to be but I agree it shouldn't be like that in the first place.
__________________
Brian & Donna
08 27' Safari FB SE
03 Avalanche 2500
WBCCI #1199 - AIR #23847
NEU
LIFE IS GOOD
RIstream'n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2008, 11:27 PM   #35
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Woodruff View Post
...Due to the design of the yoke, the yoke tail forces are almost perpendicular to the frame and against the down tubes of the frame bracket...
ok good info sean...

i keep forgetting about the yoke design/change...

while it's nice the hitch is not orange...

black makes the contrast in pictures less obvious.

u may need to paint one white for the set by set video of the install...

Quote:
Originally Posted by RIstream'n View Post
...that wiring situation to the break away is really stupid the way the tank cover crimps down on the wiring...
hey ri'

your wiring comment is an extension of some of the post in this thread right (from #14-38 or so) ?

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f353...afe-39545.html

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2008, 06:58 PM   #36
Rivet Master
 
RIstream'n's Avatar
 
2008 27' Safari FB SE
Cumberland , RI
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 506
Yes 2air it is. I screwed up the qoute. sorry....
__________________
Brian & Donna
08 27' Safari FB SE
03 Avalanche 2500
WBCCI #1199 - AIR #23847
NEU
LIFE IS GOOD
RIstream'n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2008, 09:00 PM   #37
2 Rivet Member
 
2008 31' Classic
Sweet Valley , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 92
Nice smooth Ride

75 mike ride today with the new Propride hitch. Seemed nice and stable.
I still havta get the hang of how far to crank up these jacks. I am use to a Reese Chain set so this is quite different in terms of feeling what tension is correct. Like everything so far! Jim
__________________
TROPHYJIM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2008, 04:29 PM   #38
2 Rivet Member
 
2008 31' Classic
Sweet Valley , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 92
Exact differences

I would like to ask the manufacturer of the Propride Hitch what all the design differences are between the Haha and Propride. I know some have been discussed eleswere, but a complete list might be appropriate here. If possible it would be nice to have the manufacturer first list as many of the design differences as possible, then maybe comment on the reason for that particular change. I also would like to invite the Hensley manufacturing folks to comment if they feel it is appropriate.

I don't have any experience with the Haha, so comments I make as we drive our unit more with the Propride setup will not be very valuable in terms of comparison..... in that how can we indicate or predict future preformance of the Propride and if it is as good an a Haha..... without experiencing the Hensley first hand. So for now......until we get some folks with lotsa Haha experience trying Proprides hitch.... maybe one thing to do is discuss the specific mechanical differences between the 2 units; why the design changes in the first place...and from a mechanical prospective how do they differ.
We know that the original inventor of the Hensley felt the need to design a new hitch, with different features. Why did he do this?
Indeed the answer may ultimately be that they do not differ in any significant way, and one doesn't drive any different than the other. .....thus the issue could become one of price only.....all other things remaining equal.

Even though I am a Propride user (all Propride users are new).....and Propride being a new product.....one must give the advantage to the Haha because of its history and proven ability to get the job done. Propride needs to establish itself a history and a track record and many, many miles.....and surely one way this is done by getting hitches out there. ......and converting a few haha users......the real test between these two companies will not and can not occur UNTIL those individuals who have a great deal of haha experience somehow put some time on a Propride....... and these individuals need to have a reason to change.
__________________
TROPHYJIM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2008, 05:33 PM   #39
Rivet Master
 
1994 30' Excella
Mississauga , Ontario
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 939
When I bought my trailer second hand it came with a Hensley hitch. I have only towed small boat trailers prior to this so have no towing experience to compare it with.
That said, I have never experienced any sway or apparent lack of control with this setup.
It just works!!!!
I suspect that since the Propride Hitch is based on the same technology, users are going to experience the same results.
Hopefully the paint job stands up to the elements better.
I have not repainted mine yet and I think it is about five years old now. What a mess.
If they were to lend me a new Propride to try I would be happy to give an unbiased comparison to the Hensley.
Al
__________________
BigAl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 08:41 PM   #40
2 Rivet Member
 
2008 31' Classic
Sweet Valley , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 92
Logged about 300 miles on the new Propride this past week. The ride was great....No sway while the big trucks passed us . We averaged 60MPH. Great ride. I am real happy with this hitch, So far it performs as advertised!

Jim
__________________
TROPHYJIM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 09:34 PM   #41
Rivet Master
 
Over59's Avatar
 
1959 26' Overlander
Putnam , Connecticut
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,064
Images: 37
Doesn't this give you less ground clearance under the hitch than a reese? Looks like the bar needs to be lower to make room for the head.
__________________
Over59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2008, 09:38 PM   #42
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawas"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , WNY
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 11,153
Images: 1
Thumbs down anti-seize

Quote:
Originally Posted by owheely View Post
We're putting never seize on all bolts just in case and going back over the bolts with torque limiting extensions tonight.
IMHO
Forget the anti-seize on anything that needs to be torqued.
__________________

__________________
PFC.....

“After all these years the reason I continue to love Thanksgiving.....I still sit at the kids table.”
RLC

Sandra wanted to go to Cleveland on vacation,
but I’m the Husband, so we went to Cleveland.
RLC
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Big DEE hits 1000!!! Buttercup Our Community 6 05-10-2007 07:40 AM
Our new (not so) baby hits the road. Pecos Pete Our Community 10 02-08-2007 06:48 PM
NEW 1948 Suburban hits the market! 85MH325 Off Topic Forum 21 09-10-2005 08:03 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.