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04-28-2019, 07:29 PM
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Rivet Master
1987 25' Sovereign
Fort Collins
, Colorado
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 582
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[QUOTE=Jaxon;2235956].
Am curious... are you new to towing & Airstreaming or are you just an innate expert in everything? Just wondering why, after just two months on the forums, you insist on being so antagonistic and argumentative with folks who obviously are much better informed and experienced...
Perhaps you're just trying to hit 200 posts today and enjoy stirring the pot?[/QUOTE
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04-28-2019, 07:34 PM
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#102
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Rivet Master
2019 30' International
Pennsylvania
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 1,242
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikapen
You may feel confident with a bigger-than-mine tow vehicle, but how can you explain how a sway experience threw my 26,000 lb tow vehicle into the ditch, towing a 6,000 lb trailer?
Size is not the answer.
And if it's stopping power you need (we all do), get a stout German SUV with real brakes.
If it's a substantial chassis that is important, get a stout unibody (like used on 747's) - which would send you back to a German SUV.
If it's the ability to avoid a surprise obstacle on the road - ditch the WW1 chassis and get a tow vehicle with a modern suspension.
And just to follow on a theme - can you explain why a recent trip in very windy conditions in Windy Kansas, ALL the tow vehicles blown over on their sides were 3/4 and 1 Ton pickups?
My takeaway - it's setup and loading that are MUCH more important than "which hitch" or "which TV," as long as you respect capacities.
To go a bit further, the more you weigh, the more the contact patch makes a difference. I like the patch-to-weight ratio of (you guessed it) a stout Euro SUV.
Too many folks think size is the answer, but it can give a false sense of security. (A van is a big improvement over the same sized pickup because the body gives the floppy ladder frame a modicum of strength.)
However, if you carry a bunch of "stuff," then you are stuck with a big TV - just be aware of its very real deficiencies.
And back to the Hitch question - perhaps the Propride can somewhat offset the long rear overhangs that are inherent in pickups, but I'd rather pull with something physics says will give me a leg up in the stability department. A Euro SUV.
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Got it bro, you're knowledge is beyond reproach.
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04-28-2019, 07:37 PM
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#103
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Rivet Master
1987 25' Sovereign
Fort Collins
, Colorado
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 582
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Quote:
Originally Posted by out of sight
If your trailer sways out of control at normal highway speeds then there is something else wrong and a hitch is not going to help you. Indeed one of the arguments against the use of sway control equipment is that it can cover up a developing problem and keep you from realizing it until it's too late.
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Yep. Using your logic, I quit wearing my glasses because they made me think I could see okay, and quit wearing a belt because it made me think my trousers would stay up.
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04-28-2019, 07:47 PM
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#104
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Rivet Master
2020 28' Flying Cloud
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Hiawassee
, Georgia
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 1,416
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikapen
You may feel confident with a bigger-than-mine tow vehicle, but how can you explain how a sway experience threw my 26,000 lb tow vehicle into the ditch, towing a 6,000 lb trailer?
Size is not the answer.
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What 26K lb vehicle were you towing with? Just curious.
By the way, most pickups really don’t have that much of an overhang when compared to wheelbase.
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04-29-2019, 07:52 AM
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#105
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2 Rivet Member
2015 27' FB International
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 66
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I don't have an AS yet (soon hopefully) so I read these forums to learn. Maybe 10% of this thread was helpful. The rest made me feel like I was back in jr high school with all the sniping and juvenile insults. Really? What a waste of time.
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04-29-2019, 07:58 AM
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#106
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2 Rivet Member
2017 28' International
Cypress
, Texas
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 40
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You boys need to take this silliness off-line and meet up somewhere in person to settle it. We don't need your squabbling on this website, whether you're a "supporting member" or not.
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04-29-2019, 08:48 AM
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#107
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pianolaw
I don't have an AS yet (soon hopefully) so I read these forums to learn. Maybe 10% of this thread was helpful. The rest made me feel like I was back in jr high school with all the sniping and juvenile insults. Really? What a waste of time.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kellycox7
You boys need to take this silliness off-line and meet up somewhere in person to settle it. We don't need your squabbling on this website, whether you're a "supporting member" or not.
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Hope to see you back soon...👍
Silly is good...some take this much too seriously.
Bob...the King of useless platitudes.😂
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04-29-2019, 09:33 AM
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#108
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB International
Trent Woods
, North Carolina
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 3,120
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Quote:
Originally Posted by out of sight
Actually I came here with an open mind trying to find out what's so great about a sway control hitch and why do people buy them when Airstreams don't sway. Still looking for an answer.
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Don't sway? I know a couple who lost their Airstream and tow vehicle due to sway. There is nothing special about an Airstream that defies the physics of sway.
Larry
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04-29-2019, 10:37 AM
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#109
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Rivet Master
2020 28' Flying Cloud
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Hiawassee
, Georgia
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 1,416
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pianolaw
I don't have an AS yet (soon hopefully) so I read these forums to learn. Maybe 10% of this thread was helpful. The rest made me feel like I was back in jr high school with all the sniping and juvenile insults. Really? What a waste of time.
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Please don’t view this as typical of AS owners. If you go to a rally you’ll see that almost all the folks you meet are nice people.... and pretty level headed.
There’s good info to be had on this forum but like everything else online you have to sift through the clutter.
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04-29-2019, 10:56 AM
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#110
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,689
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KK4YZ
Please don’t view this as typical of AS owners. If you go to a rally you’ll see that almost all the folks you meet are nice people.... and pretty level headed.
There’s good info to be had on this forum but like everything else online you have to sift through the clutter.
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Agree- there are lots of great experiences and information on these threads...It's sad that there are also a few "trolls" who enjoy spewing inaccurate data with the intent of starting an argument..
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04-29-2019, 11:17 AM
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#111
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W
, New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,402
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KK4YZ
Please don’t view this as typical of AS owners. If you go to a rally you’ll see that almost all the folks you meet are nice people.... and pretty level headed.
There’s good info to be had on this forum but like everything else online you have to sift through the clutter.
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X2! Online personalities can morph from time to time - much more aggressive and less sociable than in live settings - things one would never dream of throwing in another’s face at a live gathering sometimes seem to be “fair game” on social(? anti-social?) media sites....maybe related to a lack of human interaction signals & cues that happen when you’re in the same physical space....
In online forums you can usually block people you don’t want to hear any more from. I’m confident in assuming I’ve been blocked from time to time - that’s ok. It’s the digital version of avoiding someone at a rally when they rub you the wrong way [emoji3]
We’re all an acquired taste I suppose....
Camp on!
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