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Old 11-25-2008, 10:35 PM   #15
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Thanks Andy,
How do you figure I am over hitched? I chose the Hensley as a matter of safety. I still question why a person that spends the kind of money it takes to buy a new AS would skimp on the hitch. Just does't make any sense to me.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:55 PM   #16
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Hi Mustang,
GAWF 4000, GAWR 4150, GVW 7200, GCWR 16000, Tow cap 10100.
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Old 11-26-2008, 09:06 AM   #17
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It will be published, in a magazine that is readily available.
Hallelujah! Someone needs to publish that.

Hopefully you will discuss the butterfly effect and how chaos theory plays a role in towing.

Looking forward to reading it.
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:17 PM   #18
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Look at the weights Front and rear are within 100 lbs. If the trailer is level, park on the level and use your levels on the trailer or Put a shot level on the door sill. I think its as good as its gonna get. I do think however that the bars U have are way too heavy. I see the other problem is the TV But Id rather not get into a debate about that.
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:37 PM   #19
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Have you been able to get the measurements yet.(post4)
Can't stress enough, getting the coach as level as possible is very important. Once that's done the bar adjustments can be tweaked.
This is us loaded for two weeks of boon-dock'n. Set up using the measurements. Jacks set 1/2 way between second and third marks.
You can see the bar deflection at this setting in the second photo. Notice the trailer is NOT level.(now using a 6" drop)

fawr-4180#
rawr-5500#

at the scales
front-3620#
rear-4740#
trlr-7580# note that trlr is 280# overweight.
total-15940#
After bar adjustment at the scales, (now set at the third mark) I was able to unload the trailer 90#
If you notice I have plenty of leeway as far as the axle ratings go. And enough room in the Burb to transfer the rest of the trailer weight. Which was done before leaving the scales.

I know I'm a little anal about this, but I try to hit the truck stop whenever I'm not sure of how we're set up.
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Old 11-27-2008, 12:55 PM   #20
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Thanks to all for your concerns and advice. I appreciate all you have to offer. I have some photo to post later but want to get to the turkey today.
Here are weights/ measurment you have asked questioned in addition to those previously posted. These were taken at scales.

Load truck no trailer:
Fender rt ft 36.25, lt ft 36.25, rt rr 38.5 lt rr 35.5
Inside top of reciever 17.75
Front axle 3620 rear axle 3160, total 6780.
Loaded trailer level, full fresh water, full propane:
Tongue 1100, axle 6060.

Truck and trailer no tension on bars:
Fenders rt ft 37, lt ft 37, rt rr 36, lt rr 36
Reciever 13.75
Bottom of frame ft 13, rr 18.75
Axle ft 3160, rear 4540, total 7700

Jack 3rd mark:
Reciever 15
Frame ft 14.75, rr 17.25

Jack 2nd mark:
Reciever 15.2
Frame ft 15.75, rr 17.00

Jack 3rd mark
Reciever 15.5
Frame ft 16.0, rr 16.8

Jack at the stop
Reciever 15.75
Frame ft 16.25, 16.75
Trailer axle weight 6200
Truck weights ft 3660, rr 3840
Measurment rt ft 36.25, lt ft 36.25, rt rr 36.75, lt rr 37.00

Got to get on the road to Bend, OR for turkey with the kids. Happy Thanksgiving to all

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Old 11-27-2008, 03:37 PM   #21
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Scotty,
Your numbers/measurements look pretty good as long as you haven't exceeded the GAWR, you can find that on the door sticker.
The first thing that jumped out was the fact that you were 3" low in the r/r on your loaded truck measurements. Is that consistent when the truck is unloaded? Looks as though you've moved 500# to the front axle, a little surprising considering the measurement numbers. Also I didn't see a trailer weight w/o the bars.
All in all though it looks good to go, as long as the trailer is LEVEL at the max bar settings. If not a new drop stinger may be in order, haha exchange, or Pro Pride adjustable. I had go from 4 to 6 on the 06 Burb. The bars are for weight transfer not for leveling the trailer.

Only thing left is a good long trip to check things out.

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Old 11-27-2008, 11:11 PM   #22
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Is the truck right rear wheel opening really 3" higher than the left?

I am no expert...my simplistic method for adjusting my Equal-i-zer hitch is to adjust the drop shank so the trailer is a couple inches nose low when hitched without the WD bars attached. Then adjust the weight distribution bars (and/or the head angle, if needed) to distribute the tongue weight about evenly between the rear and front truck axles - this is where your fender height measurements are used, adjust for equal deflection. This should raise the front of the trailer back to level. If the trailer ends up nose high, then start over with more drop (or visa-versa).

If your WD bars are too stiff, then the desired weight transfer occurs with too little bend in the bars. The WD bars will both excessively unload (doing no good) and overload (pounding the trailer) during towing over bumps and hills.

If the bars are too soft, then you may not achieve the desired weight distribution. However, erroring on the soft side is probably better than the other way.

In any case, the trailer must end up level!

Now - the experts can tell you the real story...
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Old 11-28-2008, 07:08 AM   #23
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Is the truck right rear wheel opening really 3" higher than the left
Sorry Scott my fingers got ahead of my brain, right side high!!
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Load truck no trailer:
Fender rt ft 36.25, lt ft 36.25, rt rr 38.5 lt rr 35.5
Inside top of reciever 17.75
Front axle 3620 rear axle 3160, total 6780.
Loaded trailer level, full fresh water, full propane:
Tongue 1100, axle 6060.

Jack at the stop
Reciever 15.75
Frame ft 16.25, 16.75
Trailer axle weight 6200
Truck weights ft 3660, rr 3840
Measurment rt ft 36.25, lt ft 36.25, rt rr 36.75, lt rr 37.00
Scotty,

For the first weighing, the gross combined weight was 3620+3160+1100+6060 = 13940#.

For the last weighing, the gross combined weight was 3660+3840+6200 = 13700#.

The total weight of TV and TT should be approximately equal for all weighings. A discrepancy of 240# makes it difficult to calculate what the WD system is doing. Was there some load on the scales during the first weighing which was not present during the last weighing?

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Forget Fender Measurements
THE TAIL IS IN THE SCALE
Come off a dollar and go to a CAT Scale and actually weigh the rig. U cannot tell how much weight is transferred from fender heights.
Remembering that the trailer has to be level when hooked up. The a-frame height or ball height should be approximately 19 inches . The trailer must be towed level. a 15.5 ball height is not level.
IF you will not listen I cant help ya.
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I don't think anyone has told Scotty that the measuremrnts are the end-all-be all, just that it's good starting point. Lets all try and get him SAFE before we scare him away.

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. . . The total weight of TV and TT should be approximately equal for all weighings. A discrepancy of 240# makes it difficult to calculate what the WD system is doing. Was there some load on the scales during the first weighing which was not present during the last weighing?

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This happened to me once. When I did the initial weight I was standing on the running board of the truck. When I did the reweigh, I was standing off the side of the scale platform.

And looking at the weight transfer, you would guess the front axle weight in the second weighing would be a couple of hundred pounds higher.

Not saying that's what happened, but it happened to me once.
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I hope I don't scare Scotty . I have 45 yrs with loads and load transfers while in the trucking industry. ITs all relevelant . IT only takes a few bucks to do the CAT Scale experience Scotty.Then U will not be guessing with fender measurements.
U can find accurate scales almost anywhere and for a few bucks and a kind word U get the info u need. Recyclers, Scrap yards. feedmills and truckstops. U will find certified scales. Fender measurements maybe a place to start. But U have no knowledge of what wieght is accutually transfered.
Ok Off the soap box , IM OUT
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