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Old 09-28-2005, 07:24 PM   #29
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I was pretty surprised that I bit so quickly but at a fall dealer rally, I was given a trade in number on my Safari that I couldn't refuse.

Safari's are still hot property. As a matter of fact the dealer had sold my trailer to a couple from New Mexico who were waiting for me to bring it in after its last trip. They made the agreement after a quick tour. I was still sitting on the ground pulling off the Dual Cam sway control when the guy came up to me and announced himself as the new owner.
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Reading this made me chuckle. I, too, fell victim to an RV show. Stepped into a 30' SO Classic, like yours, and, I kid you not, did not leave that trailer for 4 hours. Airstreamers kept coming in and we would talk forever. Then the AS rep stepped in and I cornered him for an hour. I fell in love with the 30' SO but then decided on the non-SO because of that tongue weight. Turns out that I like the non-SO floorplan even better. Toscano offered me a great trade-in price so I took the night to think and the next day I was there to make the purchase. When I brought in my old 25' Safari to pick up my new Classic, Toscano had sold my trailer BEFORE I arrived on the lot, sight unseen. Amazing.
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Old 09-29-2005, 07:15 PM   #30
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Okay, Plan B activated. Today, we swapped the 2005 Safari 28 SO for a 2006 Safari 25 FB with twins.

Isn't it interesting that Airsteam doesn't allow the panoramic windows as an option on the FB unless you pop for the SE option as well? But, the SE adds a lot of stuff that those who prefer the Safari styling might not like.

Perhaps someday that evolution will take place, generating even more sales!!!

Thanks for all the learned advice. Mike...
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I fell in love with the 30' SO but then decided on the non-SO because of that tongue weight. Turns out that I like the non-SO floorplan even better.
Well I'm ending my second year with this trailer, and really don't have any misgivings. The slide out has performed flawlessly and I have come to appreciate the engineering and the simplicity of the unit. This was my biggest worry and knock on wood, I haven't seen a hiccup other than the fact that a small amount of water can get on top of the slide out which will show itself inside as you retract the slide. It takes a driving wind driven rain to cause the water to get on top, since the Zip-Dee awing that extends automatically usually can shield the top pretty well. I now check that top before I retract the slide and can push off any small puddle that accumulates.

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Towing smaller A/S with a Durango

I have been following this for a couple of daze and thought my 2 cents might be worth something in the road worthy dept. Yeah, mike, a 25 new A/S is likely better to tow with a small SUV. I have drivien many miles in Northern CA. and believe you will find it pretty hard on the dodge motor in crossing passes and long hills with the Durango......(nice vehicle it is tho')
I am not one to drive slow while everyone passes me on hills while I tow the ole silver twinkie up long passes so I believe both vehicle and motor should be oversized so the tow wehicle doesn't wear out too soon or constantly overheat in summer. I tow a 24 foot Tradewind with standard hitch and big ford diesel. If you do not have plenty of experience towing heavy things I would recommend Weight Distribution hitch. There are a coupld of good makes. As previously mentioned there are very expensive hitches available also. Before you spend lots of money in hitches I would perhaps take some driving tips or lessons from some experienced folks. They are out there and would gladly help you. If ever here in Colorado give us a yell and we'll go camp with ya. - Good Luck and welcome to the forum
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way to go mike

it's stressful change trailers....even when it's not here yet. but this is much less stessful than a sudden stop/lane change/avoidance manuver when the tv isn't enough for the trailer....or one needs to leave something important at home (like a bicycle) just to manage the load....

and whatever the details it's great that your dealer agreed to the change.

i'm sure you'll apply the same rational process to selecting the wd/sway control hitch....use the search function to read the many threads on this issue.....

ya know,
lost in all of this mature planning is the sheer excitement of actually getting a new airstream! so we all want to read about it and see the photos once it's in your possesion.

sure we're adults but walking into that new unit, taking the maiden voyage, tweeking things so that it's finally 'yours'....well these are all 'feel really good' moments....so share when it happens.

and i'm still stuck on the notion that your wife weights less than 40 kilos.....i think that makes her a bambi!


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Old 01-01-2006, 03:12 PM   #34
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Yeah!!!! It all works.

Thanks again to everyone who offered sage advise on our TV/AS combination. We picked up our brand new AS Safari 25-FB LS this past Thursday, spent two very rainy days in a campground (biblical rain, really) shaking down systems, and brought it to the storage yard on Saturday where I backed it up for the first time into a space with perhaps 18-inches of clearance on each site.

With some trepidation we left the dealer lot with the AS attached to our 2005 Dodge Durango Limited 5.7 liter Hemi. The hitch is a Equil-i-zer with 1,000 pound capacity. I hadn't expected to feel as much road motion from the trailer to the car, but travelling over concrete highways won't be the norm for us I hope. Asphalt roads aren't so bad. I guess this is all to be expected when you add 5,500 pounds to a 5,200 pound TV across a hitch.

With little experience for reference, I'd still say that the combination tows very well, better than I had expected even. In normal everyday driving with the Dodge, we get about 15.5 mpg. On highways with care I can get up to 21.6 mpg. Towing the AS mostly along I-80 with some slow driving and on and off ramps and parking lots, we got 13.4 mpg. I was dreading the prospect of single-digit mpg trips, but even when combining the city streets and hilly backroads to the storage yard, the overall mileage was what I think is a respectable 12.5 mpg.

The Dodge has an automatic transmission and the standard (not higher-geared) rear axle ratio. It also has a Tow/Haul mode that changes the transmission shift points but I only used that occasionally up steep or long grades. That was also a pleasant surprise because continual use of the Tow/Haul mode would seem to reduce gas mileage by about 40% given the difference in rpms at speeds where I made comparisons with and without the Tow/Haul mode operation.

I can't say that I ever noticed the passing trucks although none passed us at more than say 70 mph. We drove a steady 55 mph on the highway, which caused everyone in the world to pass us, but we aren't in any hurry. For a few miles we had 20+ mph crosswinds that cause slight movement but far less than I feel in our VW Westfalia. So, I'd say that the Equal-i-zer does a very fine job at anti-sway, but again I have no reference point of other anti-sway devices.

Some have suggested that the longer the wheelbase of the TV the better. I don't think it matters much for towing (again with the caveat of having no point of reference) and I found the short wheelbase very handy for making quick adjustments while backing up. I'm sure that I won't always be so lucky during my backing maneuvers, which is where I think the short wheelbase will become helpful.
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Old 01-01-2006, 03:33 PM   #35
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Congrats Mike!

Sounds like you have a sweet rig. Too bad the weather has been so bad for your first outing. The 25" FB is a great floorplan. Hope you can make the next NorCal Forum Rally so you can show off your coach to an admiring public. Looks like Casini Ranch (Russian River) in April if they aren't washed away by the floods. Hope you can make it and have fun with your rig.
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Hope to see you, Big Dee

Yup, couldn't be more pleased with out 25-FB. Posted some pictures on my photo web site at http://homepage.mac.com/mikero1/Firs...toAlbum12.html.

The Russian River may be down low enough for a rally in April, but looking at it now might make that seem impossible. We hope to be there although our April calendar is quite full with out-of-state trips from April 18th to the 30th.
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The Dodge has an automatic transmission and the standard (not higher-geared) rear axle ratio. It also has a Tow/Haul mode that changes the transmission shift points but I only used that occasionally up steep or long grades.
Mike, while tow haul does change the shift points, it's there for a reason and if used full time when you tow, will probably extend the life of your transmission by downshifting a little sooner on grades and holding you in a lower gear longer before upshifting too soon. Don't worry about the small amount of gas it will cost you. Gas is still a lot less than replacing an overheated transmission.

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Old 01-05-2006, 09:54 PM   #38
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Hi Mike, been following your story. I just had a good look at the photos in your link. We have been staying at Vineyard Rv Park every summer, for a lay over stop on our annual summer trip. Its has always been 3 digit temps there, but never imagined to see the pool area under water. Hopefully you can make time for the next nor cal rally at Casini Ranch in April. Might have to bring some pontoons, but we will still be havin' fun. Jeff
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Coastalview,

Yes, we were parked in space 57 on Zinfandel Lane and had a view of the pool out the back dinette window. You must know the campground well to be able to tell that that was the pool area in one of the pics.

Is there a proposed schedule for the Russian River trip in April yet? The last half of that month is already booked, but we hope to attend if we can. It would be our first rally and would love to gather with other Airstreamers. The Vinyard campground was nearly full but we had the only Airstream.

We like to visit your special part of the coast several times a year. In fact we will be in Carmel next week with my parents and then again 2 weeks later with friends from CT who always come here in Jan/Feb to get out of the winter weather. With guests along we always stay at the Cypress Inn, but when in our VW camper we have always stayed at the county park at Laguna Seca. I expect that we'll take the Airstream there too. I wonder if you could recommend other campgrounds suitable for the Airstream in the Carmel area. Not only is it one of our favorite spots, but it is a convenient 150 miles from home.
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Mike, I'll put a bug in Big Dee's ear, regarding the rally dates at Casini.
Big Dee is without a doubt, our Nor-Cal rally wagon master ! Yee Haaa!
You asked about me being able to recognize locations based on your photos, and that was easy. You can make out the camp site number in one of your photos, as we have camped in that same site several times each summer. As for camping here on the Monterey Peninsula, there aren't many choices. Laguna Seca was the location for our first Nor-Cal rally!
I work for the city of Monterey, and you can boondock at the cities Vetrans park:
http://www.monterey.org/rec/vetspark.html
If you choose this location, let me know, as I know we can get you in there with your 25', as it has been done before.
Keep your eye out for up coming rally info, Jeff
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Jeff,

Thanks for the tip about Veteran's Park. I wasn't aware of it. Seems like a terrific central location. Laguna Seca is farther away although I suppose it has more facilities. I wonder how well I'd be able to climb that hill up to Laguna Seca though, so the Veteran's Park probably makes a lot more sense. Oh, I'm a veteran too.
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One of the guys just did an experiement on the two hitches. For the $$ value, the Equal-i-zer (IMHO) is the best. That is, unless you want to spend 2-3 thousand $$. I tow a Safari 25 with my 05 Dakota Quad. I've had the sway issue come up when going on I-15 (Palm springs, CA). With all the open range, you get cross-winds and big rig trucks pushing you. The Equal-i-zer does the job of keeping the AS stable. Yes, you do feel a little movement but nothing to get you excited over. Plus, it's easy to hitch up and off.

Read the thread Trailer Sway 101 I posted today.

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