Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 08-23-2014, 07:50 PM   #43
Rivet Master
 
dznf0g's Avatar

 
2007 30' Classic
Oswego , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,402
Images: 5
Cory, You just gotta tow with one for several hundred miles...then, and only then will you know what we talk about. I'm just sayin.........
__________________

__________________
-Rich-

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
dznf0g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 08:46 PM   #44
Rivet Master
 
Arcticfox's Avatar

 
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central , Saskatchewan
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,026
This has been an interesting read and thanks to all for keeping the lid on the topic!

First; I have to comment on Cory's post that his TV will be considered by many to be a little small... Wow I just looked up the spec on your Q5 and it weighs about 2,000 lbs less than your trailer. Now please don't get me wrong - the amount I know about this you could put on the head of a pin. So I'm not being critical in anyway. I just wonder how you can use this setup without feeling like the trailer is pushing you around? I'm asking because I tow a 28' with a F150 and sometimes feel like the trailer is pushing me around a bit. I have always put this down to the fact that I have a heavy trailer and I'm running very close to the top end of the rated towing capacity - ( if not a little over)

Finally to circle back and try to stay on point. I tow with a PP and must say its been very good for me and i'm glad I spent the $$. I'm still wondering very much if my towing experience would be a lot better if I have a heavier tow unit (think F250) my problem is I just don't have the experience to know.

Cheers
Doug
__________________

__________________
Trying to use my camera to create memories - not photographs!
Arcticfox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 08:50 PM   #45
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,043
Images: 11
When towing a heavy trailer, especially with a somewhat lighter vehicle there are three important things.

1. Good strong reliable trailer brakes.

2, Good strong reliable trailer brakes.

3. Good strong reliable trailer brakes.
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 08:56 PM   #46
Rivet Master
 
dkottum's Avatar
 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,716
Cory, try one then compare.
__________________
Doug and Cheryl
2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles

The Truth is More Important Than the Facts
dkottum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 08:58 PM   #47
Rivet Master
 
Arcticfox's Avatar

 
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central , Saskatchewan
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,026
Thank you sir!

I guess it is just me not having enough time on the road with the trailer to know what i'm dealing with or feeling is actually normal.
I do have good brakes (I think) mind you I must say the dealer I purchased the trailer from was "0" help on how to set the controller - I sort of just guessed and set it around mid way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Morgan View Post
When towing a heavy trailer, especially with a somewhat lighter vehicle there are three important things.

1. Good strong reliable trailer brakes.

2, Good strong reliable trailer brakes.

3. Good strong reliable trailer brakes.
__________________
Trying to use my camera to create memories - not photographs!
Arcticfox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 09:02 PM   #48
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,043
Images: 11
Joy in driving.

You should FEEL those trailer brakes at every stop.

I like them turned up where they are quite aggressive.

I wish I could explain what good trailer brakes feel like,,, here is an attempt....

When they are good you will feel the trailer stop your TV. When they are not good you will feel the trailer push you at a stop.

If your trailer brakes are. good you will NOT feel the trailer push you at a stop.
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 09:16 PM   #49
Rivet Master
 
AWCHIEF's Avatar
 
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,135
Images: 33
It truly makes a huge difference with properly adjusted trailer brakes. Your life can literally depend on them. There is no reason to guess about the adjustment. Do it correctly or have some one do it for you. Learn from them so that can do it yourself. It is not a case of adjusting and forgetting it. You need to be able to adjust them to changing mechanical and road conditions.
__________________
MICHAEL

Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
AWCHIEF is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 09:23 PM   #50
4 Rivet Member
 
cory_can's Avatar
 
2015 30' Classic
Calgary , Alberta
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 359
Joy in driving.

Smaller vehicle or larger vehicle, trailer brakes are just as important....it makes no difference. My vehicle may weigh less but it has large vented rotors with 4 piston Brembo callipers and excellent cooling. A large pickup truck wouldn't have any less to bring to a stop.....actually quite a lot more because all else being equal with the TT the TV probably weighs an additional 1000lbs. My Q5 stops from 60-0 inside 110ft repeatedly with no fade....I don't know a pickup that will come close. Add a trailer and the calculation doesn't change. The braking power is there and the potential for overhead is the same.

RE: weight of vehicle and getting pushed around. All I can say is that the Q5 feels incredibly planted....I don't get the sense that I'm being pushed around....perhaps it's a difference in the suspension geometry, tire metrics or lower centre of gravity....or a combination....can't say for sure.
__________________
'15 Classic
'16 Ram 2500HD CTD 4x4 Limited w/ Air and Ramboxes
Instagram: cory_can
cory_can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 09:35 PM   #51
Rivet Master
 
Arcticfox's Avatar

 
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central , Saskatchewan
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,026
Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Morgan View Post
You should FEEL those trailer brakes at every stop.

I like them turned up where they are quite aggressive.

I wish I could explain what good trailer brakes feel like,,, here is an attempt....

When they are good you will feel the trailer stop your TV. When they are not good you will feel the trailer push you at a stop.

If your trailer brakes are. good you will NOT feel the trailer push you at a stop.
Ok so I can understand that - I will hook the trailer up again tomorrow and see if I can get them set.


Quote:
Originally Posted by AWCHIEF View Post
It truly makes a huge difference with properly adjusted trailer brakes. Your life can literally depend on them. There is no reason to guess about the adjustment. Do it correctly or have some one do it for you. Learn from them so that can do it yourself. It is not a case of adjusting and forgetting it. You need to be able to adjust them to changing mechanical and road conditions.
Thanks for the comments - I found this video on the net. Can I get you guys check it out and let me know if you think what this guy is says is correct and should I set the brakes up as he suggests:

__________________
Trying to use my camera to create memories - not photographs!
Arcticfox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 09:37 PM   #52
Rivet Master
 
Arcticfox's Avatar

 
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central , Saskatchewan
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,026
Thanks Cory - interesting comments. Hope all is well down east!

Quote:
Originally Posted by cory_can View Post
Smaller vehicle or larger vehicle, trailer brakes are just as important....it makes no difference. My vehicle may weigh less but it has large vented rotors with 4 piston Brembo callipers and excellent cooling. A large pickup truck wouldn't have any less to bring to a stop.....actually quite a lot more because all else being equal with the TT the TV probably weighs an additional 1000lbs. My Q5 stops from 60-0 inside 110ft repeatedly with no fade....I don't know a pickup that will come close. Add a trailer and the calculation doesn't change.

RE: weight of vehicle and getting pushed around. All I can say is that the Q5 feels incredibly planted....I don't get the sense that I'm being pushed around....perhaps it's a difference in the suspension geometry, tire metrics or lower centre of gravity....or a combination....can't say for sure.
__________________
Trying to use my camera to create memories - not photographs!
Arcticfox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 10:54 PM   #53
Rivet Master
 
Howard L.'s Avatar
 
2012 30' Flying Cloud
San Antonio , Texas
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 591
You know I've read the posts about the PP/HAHA hitches since before I purchased my first AS, a 2012, 30 FC. They must be great since I see only glowing reports. It took a while, but I finally figured out the dynamics of the hitches and do now understand why they are such a stable towing platform. Maybe it's just me, but I love the equalizer I bought at the dealer. Have never felt the slightest sway or problem in wind, traffic, rain or any conditions. I certainly don't need to be any more relaxed at the wheel. At my age, if we stop for lunch, I tend to get sleepy. A little white knuckle then would probably be helpful. The wife drives some and like I, feels no problems with passing trucks, etc. I pull the trailer around town, back and forth to storage on the ball. On short trips to a close State Park, I have pulled it on the ball. The 2500 Chevy Diesel is obviously slightly lighter in the front without the Equalizer WD but to such a small degree, I can find no steering degradation.
Please guys, don't shoot, this isn't an argument. It's just for me and my TV the Equalizer works great. It can be adjusted for whatever weight you think needs to be put back on the front and does a great job with sway control (what ever small amount of sway one gets from an Airstream anyway). Now if I were towing with something lighter, a 1/2 ton or any TV with weaker suspension, my outlook might change. But for now, the big, heavy, expensive, difficult to hook up thing is not for me.
Howard


Sent from my iPad using Airstream Forums
__________________
Howard L. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 11:09 PM   #54
Rivet Master
 
kscherzi's Avatar
 
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills , California
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,136
Images: 24
What spoils the joy of driving my Airstream is when I have to travel down a busy 8 lane freeway with endless speeders passing on the left or right and constantly cutting me off. Tell me, what hitch fixes that?
__________________
kscherzi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2014, 11:10 PM   #55
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,043
Images: 11
The only way to fix that is to stay off 8 lane freeways....
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2014, 04:58 AM   #56
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
Andrew T's Avatar

 
2008 34' Classic
1960 17' Pacer
London , Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 955
If it helps this is how we usually explain the difference to people.

If you have a stable towing trailer like an Airstream, connect it to a precise handling stable tow vehicle and set it up precisely there is very little difference with a Hensley. The size and weight of the tow vehicle have very little to do with this is it more about how precise the steering tires and suspension are. If all three ingredients are optimal then I will likely lean towards the better ride with the conventional hitch. The ride is better because the vertical pivot point is much closer to the back of the tow vehicle and in some cases you can achieve better weight transfer.

Take away one of those three ingredients however and you get a very different experience. If you have an poor tow vehicle or hitch set up then the Hensley makes a substantial difference. Another way to put it, a lot can be wrong and the Hensley will still tow well very well.

If I go to an Airstream rally and I take our customers out of the mix I rarely find a truly dialed in set up so for most people a Hensley is going to be a substantial improvement.

I hope this helps.

Andrew T
__________________

__________________
Andrew Thomson
London, Ontario

"One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."
Tex Johnston, Boeing 707 test pilot
Andrew T is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2000 Airstream Excela Excella 30' Wide-Body ~ My Dad's Pride and Joy eBay Watch Airstreams on eBay 0 02-25-2012 09:40 PM
2000 Airstream Excela 30' Wide-Body ~ My Dad's Pride and Joy eBay Watch Airstreams on eBay 0 02-04-2012 09:20 PM
Joy in the Journey makiger Member Introductions 4 04-11-2006 07:37 AM
Our Pride and Joy kneepie Global 'streaming 2 09-24-2005 03:00 PM
Share in my sentimental joy -- our WBCCI number PWRSTRK WBCCI Forum 5 01-10-2005 10:42 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.