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Old 01-11-2011, 11:07 PM   #1
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How much tongue weight? And other questions.

Getting everything loaded and ready to go next week. Nervous!
I read that the bulk of the weight is supposed to be in the front of the trailer to keep fishtailing to a minimum. My hitch has stabilizer bars so that should help. But right now I've got a lot of weight under the front two couches (should I move those trays to the drawers under the bed, which is in the center?
I'm going to read my owners manual again but I'd like advice from you folks too

Also, my first interior door (between the bedroom and the living area) is broken so it doesnt stay shut, not a problem because I want it closed. I want to lock my cats in the back half while we're moving so I'm going to take the locking pin thing out so it can't lock shut, and then figure out some way to prop it open (since the lock is on the bedroom side). Any thoughts?

Also going to rig up something to wedge between the outside handle next to the door to make sure it doesnt pop open. I'm thinking a rubber door stopper with a rope attached somehow...bungee maybe.

Oh, I don't know if this is the right place, but my table doesnt lock down. It folds down, and then just flops around. What's up with that? Any ideas on how to attach it....maybe bungee cord for that too, but I'm not sure what it could hook to.
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:51 PM   #2
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Hi, I believe that your trailer [all travel trailers] should have 10% to 15% of the total weight on the tongue. It should be this way while it's empty and stay this way while loaded normally. I would avoid trying to put too much weight in the front or any other place. Too much tongue weight could cause other problems. [overload the receiver etc.]
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As to loading, I agree with “robertsunsus” in that 10% to 15% should be on the tongue.

If the tongue has too much weight bearing on the rear of the TV it will cause the front wheels to be lifted which will compromise steering wheel traction which will allow “the tail to wag the front of the dog”, i.e. sway.

Conversely, if there is too little weight on the rear of the TV it will cause the rear wheels to be lifted which will compromise rear wheel traction which will allow “the tail to wag the rear of the dog”, again sway.

When you say “stabilizer bars” I ASSume you mean “weight distribution bars”, which will re-distribute the weight on the tongue/rear of the TV to both the TV front wheels AND the trailer wheels, thereby off-loading the TV rear wheels. This re-distribution MUST be done correctly or you may not transfer enough of a heavy tongue weight; or if your tongue weight is initially too light it will further exacerbate/lighten it.

If you don’t understand the above you should find someone to help you with it before traveling.
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The heavy items should go as close to the axles in the trailer as possible. This helps with the center of gravity.

The statement of 10-15% total weight = tongue weight is correct otherwise you induce another set of issues.

I wouldn't recommend penning the cats in the trailer. The ride will still not be as pleasant as in the TV, and they may well "freak out" If it is possible to keep them with you in the truck that would be optimal.
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:15 AM   #5
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I wouldn't recommend penning the cats in the trailer. The ride will still not be as pleasant as in the TV, and they may well "freak out" If it is possible to keep them with you in the truck that would be optimal.
There's seven cats, and they do really well, they've been across the country twice It's my dogs who freak out about traveling, go figure!!

I guess I need to try to figure out a percentage of the weight, uggh!
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You should always travel with your table up and folded to the smallest size. With it down it will pull the hinges off where it is attached with the weight of the table bouncing.
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You should always travel with your table up and folded to the smallest size. With it down it will pull the hinges off where it is attached with the weight of the table bouncing.

Now that's the first time I've read that! It is good to know , but opposite of what I believed. This last trip is the first time I have traveled with my table in the open/up position - mostly out of laziness.

MonaxLisa - I'd suggest that, after loading your trailer for a trip (with weight placed near axle, and added weight distributed left-to-right as equal as possible), you pass into a CAT scale location and take some weights. There are lots of threads on the site explaining how to do it and what to look for. It will help you set your WD hitch appropriately for the safest towing. For me, this process was pretty intimidating but it provided me a wealth of information. I used the scales at a large local, commercial moving company and the weigh master assisted! Also, if you don't already, get a copy of the hitching procedure for your WD hitch. Many are on-line.

I travel with that bedroom door divider, and all window coverings, fully open. I found that I can see through the trailer to the vehicles behind me. Sometimes they are sooooo dang close to my arse that I can't see them in any of my tow mirrors! Buggars.

Here's a couple pics of door *stays* that I copied from this forum.

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Old 01-12-2011, 10:19 AM   #8
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Never thought about traveling with the table up. I travel with mine down and it did pull off the hinge. Screws into the edge of particleboard. I expect my repair to hold and will possibly continue with the table down. We travel with heavy stuff under the couch. I put in new drawer glides and put blocking under the drawer so that when the bottom sags it is supported. I like a little extra weight on the front. No real place to put stuff over the axles. If you dump a lot of weight in the drawr it will take out the 1/8 inch bottom or make it sag a bit.
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:42 AM   #9
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Mona...Even with all your preparations and study.....you will be amazed at things that pop off, jump around, open up, etc., etc. Be ready for it.
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Good luck with your trip! Still coming to the Trinidad, Colo. area? You'll like it!
We have one cat that we travel with, and she does not like being in the TV AT ALL, she looks for places to hide and get away from the scenery rushing by the windows and is freaked out the entire time. So- we put her in the AS now, where there are plenty of nooks and crannies to hide in (her favorite is down beneath the gaucho) and of course she has her food, water, and litter box. I don't really know how she likes it but I do know that it is 100% better for our nerves up front in the TV. It seems like some cats like traveling and some hate it; with 7 of them, you'll probably have some of each. Good luck! -tim
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Thanks for the feedback I'm trying to figure out how to weigh it, I can't think of anything except on the freeway, and they're always pretty packed. I know that I'm going to be at capacity, so may be better for my nerves if I don't weigh it :-p

As for the table, that's what I was asking. It folds up (and down) against the cabinet/wall, but it doesn't lock up against the wall, so it flops back and forth, pretty weird?

I am SO stressed out about weight distribution now, I know the front is going to be heavier than the rest, just because I've got two dogs in the front (about 300pounds) and a bunch of canned food. I think I feel my hair turning grey already.

Oh, and yep, eventually up to Trinidad, but not until better weather!!

I just did a search for CAT scale to see about how to go about it and didn't see anything that seemed to help...what search term should I use?
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:17 PM   #12
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err, that's 200pounds worth of dogs
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OMG, are you really putting your dogs in the trailer too?

This is a fine thread about weighing: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...-in-17984.html
otherwise, search on "scales" and "weight".... though I found some very useful threads under "CAT Scales".

I THOUGHT I was close to maxed out on weight but was surprised that I wasn't too bad. It also gave me confidence to know where to set my WD hitch to get the optimum setting/safety. That was a huge relief. And I set my hitch per the mfg instructions. Now I know that I'm hitched the best as possible with the equipment I have.

Here's a CAT scale locator: CAT Scale Search
And this lists more places (not necessarily CAT associated): Truck Scales and Weigh Stations Locator for Truck Drivers and Trucking Companies at Truckstops





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My dogs don't fit in a vehicle :/ One is a Great Dane who has anxiety traveling and tries to crawl into your lap. Let me tell you, 135 pounds of frantic dog trying to fit on on your lap while you're trying to stay on the road is NOT fun! He does really well in the camper we have (cab-over) with the curtains closed and his special doggy drugs.
Thanks for the scale locator link! There's a Pilot about an hour from here that has scales, I could stop there, I'll probably need gas by then anyway :-p
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