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Old 07-04-2004, 03:04 AM   #15
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Depends on the size of your trailer. Anything, imo, over 20' and you will want one. I dont use one on my setup though as it is a small/light trailer.
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Old 07-04-2004, 07:37 AM   #16
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nope, nope no way. Even if only going a few miles it's worth the time to hook them up.
One of the previous A/S's we sold, when the person picked it up they just connected the hitch and that was it outside of the pig tail and maybe a safety chain or two. It didnít seem to bother them after I questioned them about it; at any rate, there are just too many unexpected things that can happen IMHO that makes it too great of a risk not to have the full gear hooked up!

After I first started using the sway control I could tell a difference especially when trucks would pass us.

With the set-up I now have, I'm not un-comfortable at passing the trucks!
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Old 07-04-2004, 10:02 AM   #17
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Just another thought. It took me quite a while to get my set-up just right. Don't hesitate to play with the load on the chains a link more or less can make a difference. Tire pressure on your tug makes a difference take it up and down a few pounds to see what works best. Feel your trailer tires and make certain that both the front and back tire, or in my case all three on each side are heating up the same. Get it as level as you can. Small adjustments can make a big difference when pulling.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:25 AM   #18
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I remember vividly when I was 12 years old and my father was towing our new-to-us SOB on it's first big trip. We had weight distribution bars, but no sway control in those days. We were on a highway going down a big hill into a river valley. The trailer started to sway... it got worse and worse, fishtailing wildly. We were inches from going off the road and into a deep ditch - which would certainly have rolled the works over. My dad applied the trailer brakes, which straightened it out some and we finally came to a stop. It was a terrifying experience. We learned that we had too much weight in the back of the trailer (the SOB had a closet in the rear, and a large "trunk"-like storage compartment in the back - both of which we had full of stuff. Moral of the story:

- keep your tongue weight where it should be (don;t overload the rear of the trailer)
- apply the trailer brakes if sway gets started
- buy and use sway control

A few years later, in about 1975, my dad sold the SOB (it never did tow well) and bought a used 1973 Airstream Safari 23, which was so much better. He kept it until his death in 1999.
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Old 07-04-2004, 01:53 PM   #19
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Well I guess that the bicycle that towed that airstream in the pictures didn't have sway bars, hehe, but really it is much safer to tow with them. It is an item that you will probably add even if you don't get them at first.

However, when you look at it from a safety point of view you have to ask yourself what is the worst thing that can happen. The answer should encourage you to go ahead and buy them.

If you ever pulled a camper without them and got into a sticky situation I can tell you from 1st hand experience that the first thing that crosses your mind is that you going to put sway bars on as soon as you can.
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Old 07-04-2004, 09:22 PM   #20
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Don't leave home without 'em!

Matter of fact...don't think I could leave home without 'em as they are part of the weight distribution as well and I need weight distribution like I need air!
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As always, good advice found here on this forum!
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Old 11-02-2004, 09:20 PM   #22
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Question Towing a '60 Safari with a new Porsche Cayenne

We bought our Land Yacht thru E-bay and had to rent a truck to pick it up because at the time we only had Volvos. After researching vehicles and towing capacities, we settled on the great looking and awesome performance of a Porsche Cayenne. It came with the towing package. We were told to "just buy a hitch, 2" ball and you're set." Last week we hooked up the Airstream to the Cayenne and drove it very slowly to Joe's Hitch, who we hope checked things out, hooked up our lights, fixed the safety chains, and repacked our wheels. When we drove it home, we took the highway. We felt a little sway on the corners, ramps, and once we hit 45 mph. What do we do? The trailer isn't really loaded yet, just a few things we've begin buying, We plan to redo the interior but want to use it on the weekends safely. We think the Cayenne came with a w/d hitch, is this right? We want to be extra safe, so what kind of sway bars/controller do we need? Does our trailer have brakes? How do you know? Somebody help us please.
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We bought our Land Yacht thru E-bay and had to rent a truck to pick it up because at the time we only had Volvos. After researching vehicles and towing capacities, we settled on the great looking and awesome performance of a Porsche Cayenne. It came with the towing package. We were told to "just buy a hitch, 2" ball and you're set." Last week we hooked up the Airstream to the Cayenne and drove it very slowly to Joe's Hitch, who we hope checked things out, hooked up our lights, fixed the safety chains, and repacked our wheels. When we drove it home, we took the highway. We felt a little sway on the corners, ramps, and once we hit 45 mph. What do we do? The trailer isn't really loaded yet, just a few things we've begin buying, We plan to redo the interior but want to use it on the weekends safely. We think the Cayenne came with a w/d hitch, is this right? We want to be extra safe, so what kind of sway bars/controller do we need? Does our trailer have brakes? How do you know? Somebody help us please.
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Xray has a similar setup with his Toureg, but a new Airstream, and he has had no problems that he has told us about. You may want to check to make sure the trailer is sitting more or less level when hooked up to the Cayenne. If it is nose-low, or high, it will make a big difference when towing. You may have to get a different "head", the part where the ball of the hitch sits, to get the trailer to sit level. Then try it again, and see what happens. For whatever reason, the T-reg doesn't have any WD or sway control on it, the Cayenne is the same basic platform, so most likely won't use it either.
I personally have found that tandem-axle trailers tend to sway less than singles, if yours has a single axle, this may be a contributing factor.
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Old 11-02-2004, 09:44 PM   #24
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We think the Cayenne came with a w/d hitch, is this right? We want to be extra safe, so what kind of sway bars/controller do we need? Does our trailer have brakes? How do you know? Somebody help us please.
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The Porsche towing package would not have included a hitch; it would, however, include the receiver which is the 2" square orifice under the rear bumper that the hitch plugs into.

What does the part that the ball is mounted on look like? If it is merely an L-shaped bar that plugs into the receiver, then it is not a W/D hitch. A W/D hitch will be a sizeable iron casting that mounts the ball and has provision for insertion of two spring bars. The spring bars will be about 30" long. You probably need about 550# bars for that size and age of Airstream.

I recommend a Reese Dual-Cam hitch, but Equalizer and some other brands are OK. If the hitch you buy doesn't have built-in sway control (Dual0-Cam and Equalizer), then I would recommend you install a friction sway bar at the very least. The friction bar will go from a small ball on the hitch to a small ball mounted on the A-frame of the trailer.

I'm sure that your trailer should have brakes. You can see the brake drums through the slots in the wheels. In the Porsche, you need a controller such as a Tekonsha Prodigy or equivalent. The controller must be wired to the trailer connetor and to several points in the under-dash wiring.
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One thing to investigate carefully (along with sway control and weight distribution hitch) is the type of tires on the Cayenne. If it has 'performance' tires, you may need to replace them with a stiff wall light truck tire.

When the trailer starts to sway, the tongue is trying to push the back of the tow vehicle sideways. Even with sway control, the only force resisting the sway is the ability of the tow vehicle rear tires to stay firmly attached to the pavement without a lot of sidewall flex.
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Old 11-03-2004, 07:11 AM   #26
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BE4143,

Welcome aboard!

I, for one, have a V8 Touareg and tow a 22' CCD. Towhead tows a 28' CCD with his V8. Almost all of us Airstreamers use weight distribution hitch setups of various brands including Reese, EAZ-Lift, Equalizer, Hensley, etc. because of safety and performance concerns. Configured properly, the Cayenne/Touareg platforms are rock solid towing vehicles and you should not experience any sway (see discussion on weight distribution hitches, below). Bear in mind that you should not exceed any of the safety parameters concerning trailer length, weight, tongue weight, wheelbase, etc. (see your owner's manual for specific towing parameters of the Cayenne - for instance, the Touareg's maximum trailer rating is 7,700 pounds). These issues are discussed throughout this forum. Do the "search" and learn much more about these topics. There is a wealth of information here.

Make sure your "Pepper" has a brake controller installed. Contrary to what some have said, the factory does not preinstall a controller. The factory hitch setup includes wiring from the hitch to the area under the dash on the driver's side. The install is very easy. Look for the small connector under the lower dash panel toward the left side of driver seating area that is wrapped in foam (see pics). Some folks report problems between the Tekonsha Prodigy and the truck's onboard electronics. I am now using a Tekonsha Envoy with my 22' CCD and it works fine.

Wiring at the connector is as follows:

Red w/Yellow stripe is 12 volt POS.
Blue is trailer brake feed.
Black w/purple stripe is STOP LIGHT.
Brown is NEG.

Porsche connector under the driver's side dash (wiring for a Tekonsha Prodigy are already inserted into the Porsche's connector in this photo)


In this case, pigtails were wired from the Cayenne's connector to the Tekonsha Prodigy's brake controller jack and were routed out through the parking brake opening


Finally, here's some information on weight distribution hitches that might clarify the concept for you:



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