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Old 08-19-2015, 01:23 PM   #113
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So....

Does anyone have an opinion on HA vs PP?
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:32 PM   #114
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I don't get the anger against these Hensley designed hitches...



If a person likes theirs, they like to talk about them.

I like them because they do EXACTLY as they are advertised to do. This is rare indeed these days.

I also like them because they are designed and built by small businesses right here in America...

I see the day when many who complain about their cost will buy one when they are made offshore and sold for half the price....

I wonder how many "competing" hitch brands are made offshore?
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:44 PM   #115
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So....

Does anyone have an opinion on HA vs PP?
You're a troublemaker.

Just kidding.

We have only used the ProPride and it works great. They are both equal when towing because it's exactly the same sway elimination design, and probably very close in other ways. You can't go wrong with either one.

The are both convenient , easy to use, hitch head stays on trailer so no lifting. Just put the stinger in your truck's receiver, align everything and back into the head, latch it up, and turn the screw jacks to exactly the weight distribution you need. Easy to use.
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Old 08-19-2015, 02:30 PM   #116
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You're a troublemaker.

Just kidding.

We have only used the ProPride and it works great. They are both equal when towing because it's exactly the same sway elimination design, and probably very close in other ways. You can't go wrong with either one.

The are both convenient , easy to use, hitch head stays on trailer so no lifting. Just put the stinger in your truck's receiver, align everything and back into the head, latch it up, and turn the screw jacks to exactly the weight distribution you need. Easy to use.

Yes, they are very much alike....except mines still Orange...the paint hasn't fallen off yet. (I cheated.....I PC'd it before the install)

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Well Bob, we've sorted out the significant difference.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:10 PM   #118
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So....

Does anyone have an opinion on HA vs PP?
I have an opinion on almost everything - which one do you want to hear

I am currently using a HA hitch. I only have a small experience (couple hundred miles) with a Reese Dual Cam and a Reese WD with only a friction bar. One way I can explain the difference is that the Reese in either configuration felt "twitchy" in comparison to the HA. With the Reese I could feel the wind to a much greater extent by passing trucks or traveling on windy days. With every move by the steering wheel I could watch the trailer react very quickly (almost too quick) and you could feel it in the truck.
With the HA the trailer movements seem to be much smoother where the trailer feels more "disconnected" from the truck. So if the trailer hits some bad pavement it doesn't seem to rock the truck as much.
Passing trucks or cross winds tend to move the entire rig (HA) vs just effecting the truck or trailer individually (other hitches).
My initial reason for getting the HA is because I was using two different tow vehicles and the sway prevention is mutually exclusive to the weight bars. I bought my hitch used (budget), refurbished it, customized the stinger (adjustable) and it was the best money I could spend on a hitch that will last me as long as I own a travel trailer and still have resale value.
Other hitches seem to work fine for other folks but I know where my recommendation lies (ppp hitch).
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Dan,
I have a HA only because I found a smoking deal on a lightly used one (although it was 10 years old, but showed no wear other than sun baked paint). I did get a Propride for hensley adjustable stinger though.

If I were buying new, I would get a PP for the following reasons:

1) no drilling in the A frame
2) adjustable stinger
3) the yoke design doesn't use as much A frame real estate in case you need to mount other items
4) it's a bit lighter than HAHA
5) paint seems to last longer???
6) less expensive
7) Sean and his customer centered focus
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I don't consider my post #93 to be negative. All of the information was taken from the "Official Propride" thread based on posts by real owners. I am merely trying to illustrate that there are trade-offs. All hitches have their quirks and limitations.

Better to be forewarned than to be disappointed later.

I'd buy the Propride today, but there is no point for me and my SOB. I read it right here on Airforums that my SOB has a high probability of disintegrating into tiny little pieces as I tow it down the highway due to the poor quality. I figure why spend the extra money. Now, once I move up to an Airstream.......

Actually, I have a ParkIt360 and there ain't no way to get there from here with the PP, so it's a moot point. Maybe when Sean actually makes the ball adapter he has been promising for several years...
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I like our ProPride but Andrew Thomson from Can-Am has said he prefers a few things about the Hensley but didn't say what they were. He has set up many of both, wonder what he has in mind.
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Old 08-19-2015, 04:34 PM   #122
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So, I tow with the BlueOx SwayPro and here is what they say:

"Prevent Sway Before It Starts Most hitches on the market use 50 year old technology with clunky steel cams or friction sway controls that correct sway after it begins. SwayPro’s built-in optimized sway prevention uses the geometry and tension of a 4 point system to hold the trailer in line. Intelligent pitch angle of the head’s design works with the spring steel bars and latch attachments to prevent sway from starting."

Same claim as PP and, based on my experience, I have no reason to doubt it. Notice, I am not comparing the two hitches, having never owned a PP.

Cost is in line with the Reese. I think I paid my dealer $500 to install with trailer purchase. No greasy bars to deal with the a unique way to load the bars using rotating latches.

Might be another option. My dealer did not carry the hitch; they dealt with Equalizer/Reese, etc. But, he ordered it for me, liked it so much, that now he offers this as well.
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:07 PM   #123
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I have an opinion on almost everything - which one do you want to hear

I am currently using a HA hitch. I only have a small experience (couple hundred miles) with a Reese Dual Cam and a Reese WD with only a friction bar. One way I can explain the difference is that the Reese in either configuration felt "twitchy" in comparison to the HA. With the Reese I could feel the wind to a much greater extent by passing trucks or traveling on windy days. With every move by the steering wheel I could watch the trailer react very quickly (almost too quick) and you could feel it in the truck.
With the HA the trailer movements seem to be much smoother where the trailer feels more "disconnected" from the truck. So if the trailer hits some bad pavement it doesn't seem to rock the truck as much.
Passing trucks or cross winds tend to move the entire rig (HA) vs just effecting the truck or trailer individually (other hitches).
My initial reason for getting the HA is because I was using two different tow vehicles and the sway prevention is mutually exclusive to the weight bars. I bought my hitch used (budget), refurbished it, customized the stinger (adjustable) and it was the best money I could spend on a hitch that will last me as long as I own a travel trailer and still have resale value.
Other hitches seem to work fine for other folks but I know where my recommendation lies (ppp hitch).

Alright. What's the deal pickle?

First line you say HA.

Last line you say PPP.



To all, well, you know who you are..

I'm staring to think you guys are intentionally trying to confuse me

Read the replies twice or more times and there are about 15 replies here (out of 125) where some of you polite and intelligent types actually tried answering my question, and I thank you. Loden, Boldadventure, Switz, Slowmover, Ponz, Doug, Rongatz, among several others. Thank you!

The rest of you blowhards and crayon eaters are wasting not only my time, but that of ever poor soul that runs across this thread in the future. You sound like high school chicks bumping your gums in the bathroom between classe.

I'm trying to buy a truck, camper, and the ever important connecting WD hitch so I can safely take my family into the Smoky Mountains with an Airstream. If I had the experience or insights on how to best do that safely, I wouldn't be here begging for help. It's implied your answers are important, is my point.

Either way, would be great if you guys and gals would stop with all the dang acronyms!!! Type 300 words, add an acronym or two, and your post is 100% useless if I can't find the secret decoder ring.

I've stated several times this is my first camper, never towed anything heavy, never seen WD hitch in person, and on twice ask you guys to use LAYMANS TERMS. I couldn't be more humble in my request for your assistance.

Nobody here looks smarter by refusing to use the English language, I assure you. Quite the opposite. This is directed to all, not Crispyboy. I'm certain I'm not the only person reading this that doesn't know your long list of unapproved abbreviations.

Use your words people. This is something I have to remind my two year old son of.


Approved abbreviation list:

HA- Hensley arrow
PP- ProPride



My thread, or it was, so my rules

Tongue in cheek is my baseline, and typed dialogue is very difficult for you sensitive types. Obviously so is reading comprehension.

But please, get on topic guys. This is perhaps the most important decision I have to make. Would really value more of the thoughtful replies that populated this thread early on.


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Old 08-19-2015, 05:38 PM   #124
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Which reminds me, of your 7-8 posts here, did you ever say what WD hitch you use and why??

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Old 08-19-2015, 05:41 PM   #125
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PPP in that context meant Pivot Point Projection hitch - of which there are 2 the HA or HaHa (Hensley Arrow) or PP (ProPride). Oddly enough - that makes it the PP PPP.

For simplicity's sake - any of the tried and true products should serve you well.

I think Slowmover summed it up for you in the very first reply to this thread. You see that folks are passionate about their equipment and those that use a Pivot Point Projection hitch tend to recommend it highly - not because it's expensive and not because it's "flaw free". EVERY hitch has pros, cons and trade offs. So it's hard to make it really simple because of all the factors that go in to why you will make your ultimate decision - but with all the possible caveats that could apply, I'd confidently tell you to go with the ProPride and don't look back (while I don my asbestos vest awaiting the chorus of non-PPP users to slam my "biased" view).

For the record - not that it matters to me or the trolls (and frankly, I'm baffled at the hate that gets spewed over an inanimate object like this) but I am in no way connected with related to employed by in debt to in business with or compensated by ProPride or Sean in any way shape or form.
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Thanks man. Or woman. Not sure which of you, ha. Steve/Sue.. But I agree, who in their right mind takes personal offense to another WD hitch. Geesh. Sean and PPPHRBUYFDFBKjN3 seems highly regarded and that has not escaped my attention. Slowmover and others seem to feel confident about HA, which certainly carries weight. However, I heard PP was a redesign of HA reflecting changes from Mr Hensley himself. How anyone could support one, but not the other, confuses me. Same guy. Same idea. One old, one updated. Anyway. Tried asking about differences. No luck

PP is Pro Pride to me.

PPP is Pro Pride 3P to me.

This lack of understanding renders half the replies here obsolete.


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