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03-07-2013, 07:16 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Currently Looking...
Durango
, Colorado
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Hitch Weight Question
Picked up a '13 Airstream brochure yesterday and wondered why an International Serenity/Signature 25FB has an 886# hitch weight and and a 30' has an 880# hitch weight. Bought a Sherline scale last week and will be able to check my 2006 Safari FB LE in a week or so and will report back.
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03-08-2013, 12:40 PM
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4 Rivet Member
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There seems to be no rhyme or reason for unloaded factory listed tongue weights sometimes. When the trailers are loaded, the actual tongue weights change. They can actually get lighter if the fresh water tank and storage areas are in the rear.
Good move on the Sherline scale. It will guide you as you actually load the trailer and get ready for the road.
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03-08-2013, 03:40 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2013 25' FB Eddie Bauer
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Small Town
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Depends upon the axle location / center of gravity... not just length of the trailer.
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03-08-2013, 05:06 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2007 31' Classic
Kansas City
, Missouri
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My fully-loaded trailer has a 1,370 lb tongue weight, measured by a very accurate 5-point weighing. That's with full tanks and the trailer packed to the gills. It's just 600 lbs under the 10,000 lb Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) when loaded like that. The front axle supports 5,390 lbs and the rear axle supports 4,070 lbs. The weight distribution hitch is adjusted well because the trailer tows very well in wind gusts of 40 MPH and the tire wear is even. My truck's Gross Axle Weight (GAW) is 7,580 lbs when loaded with its occupants, fuel and cargo. That puts the truck at 8,950 lbs GAW when towing. The truck is 710 lbs under the GAWR in front and 1,284 lbs under the GAWR in the rear when towing. My truck and trailer are within the weight limits but you for sure wouldn't want a smaller tow vehicle with less capable brakes to stop all that fun once it starts rolling.
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03-08-2013, 05:51 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' Classic
2012 28' International
Greensboro
, North Carolina
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As noted, it's weight distribution....my 2012 28' Intl has a higher tongue weight than the 30' or the 27 FB. Go figure.
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03-08-2013, 06:59 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
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We have the 2013 25FB International Serenity and that 833 pound factory literature tongue weight was an illusion for me. When I picked the trailer up at the dealership, the little Sherline scale reported a tongue weight of 1,150 pounds. Obviously, the spare tire, full gas tanks, and gear under the front bed, solar roof panel, and awnings on the left side and rear and heaviest was the 120 pounds of the attached Hensley hitch added serious heft to the tongue weight.
After loading most of the "stuff" we think we will need and adding water to fill the potable tank and about 5 gallons each to the gray and black tanks, the tongue weight hovers around 1,200 pounds.
YMMV
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TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell
2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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03-18-2013, 08:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
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Durango
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Without redistributing any weight, my Sherline showed an 800# tongue weight. The Trailer (without water) weighed in at 6280#. Sent photos to Can-Am looking for info on beefing up the Grand Cherokee factory hitch..
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03-18-2013, 08:51 AM
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Lost in America
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Santa Fe
, New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Switz, the weight will change depending on where you place the scale. There is a 200lb difference from placing the scale under the hitch ball point as opposed to the jack foot.
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2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
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03-19-2013, 01:28 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
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No access to the hitch ball socket because the Hensley is attached all the time, so have to use the jack stand for weighing on the Sherline scale.
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TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell
2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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03-19-2013, 08:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
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Durango
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Weighed on the hitch.
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03-19-2013, 09:28 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1973 31' Excella 500
Marysville
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 219
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I'm of the understanding that tongue weight should be 12% of the AS weight and both axles should basically weight the same. There is an optimum ratio of TV front axle weight and rear axle weight though I cant recall what it is at the moment. My Reese Dual Cam system was helpful to fine-tune to attain the target numbers. Its at the point now that an adjustment of one chain link length will transfer approx 200lbs from the hitch to the farthest axles and visa versa.
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03-19-2013, 11:15 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
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I would submit that the "optimum" TV front axle weight would be the as close to the weight on the axle loaded for camping without the trailer.
Level hitched we are within 100lbs, using CAT weights.
TV only....
With & without WD adjusted..
Bob
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03-19-2013, 03:56 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1973 31' Excella 500
Marysville
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Clarification: When I said "both axles should basically weight the same", I was referring to those on the AS.
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06-24-2013, 06:45 AM
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Rivet Master
2008 25' Classic
Full Time
, Texas
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Regarding the Sherline scale. I bought one several months ago. I used it to weight the hitch of my 2008 Classic 25fb at the dealership on the day of pickup. I found the scale was giving me a different reading after several attempts. It starts about 100 lbs low. Yesterday it weighted my hitch to see what it was like with a full water tank.
I hitched up the trailer and put the scale of a block of wood and raised it off the TV hitch. Started at about 850 to 875 lbs. I repeated about 4 times. Each time the weight went up a bit until it seem to settle in at 975 lbs.
Is this the experience everyone is having on this scale?
Kelvin
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06-24-2013, 07:14 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switz
No access to the hitch ball socket because the Hensley is attached all the time, so have to use the jack stand for weighing on the Sherline scale.
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To get the tongue weight yu will have to remove the Hensley or know just what portion of the total Hensley weight is still hanging on the ball and subtract that from the weight yu measure. Not the most accurate system because some portion of the Hensley will be hanging forward of the coupler.
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06-24-2013, 07:18 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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"I hitched up the trailer and put the scale of a block of wood and raised it off the TV hitch. Started at about 850 to 875 lbs. I repeated about 4 times. Each time the weight went up a bit until it seem to settle in at 975 lbs."
Do not hitch-up, just level the trailer on the scale with the jack.
What scale did you get?
Our 2000Lb scale is very consistent.
BTW...the trailer must be dead level for every attempt.
Bob
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06-24-2013, 07:51 AM
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Lost in America
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Santa Fe
, New Mexico
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HowieE
To get the tongue weight yu will have to remove the Hensley
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By tightening the jacks to remove some of the looseness in the Hensley head, you can rest the Hensley on the scale to get an accurate tongue weight with the Hensley attached.
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2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
2017 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Duramax Diesel
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06-24-2013, 09:20 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
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Please explain a bit more. If the Hensley is on I can' invision any way you could get an accurate weight of either the tongue or the hitch.
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2004 Excursion 4x4
1991 34 ft. Excella +220,000 miles, new laminated flooring, new upholstery, new 3200 lbs axles
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06-24-2013, 09:35 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo
By tightening the jacks to remove some of the looseness in the Hensley head, you can rest the Hensley on the scale to get an accurate tongue weight with the Hensley attached.
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This gives us what matters, the weight of the Hensley and trailer tongue together, weighed at the point it connects to the receiver.
doug k
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06-24-2013, 10:17 AM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
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doug
The original question was how to get the tongue weight of the trailer.
That is an important consideration while towing. It is designed to give the optimum weight to reduce a trailers natural tendency to sway
The stated manufactured tongue weight would be fine because they design the trailer to fall within the 10 to 12 % ration deemed to be the optimum tongue weight while towing the trailer. Now very few of us tow an empty trailer so it is important to know what the loaded tongue weight is and that it remains within the above ratio. The fact that the Hensley is so heavy and positioned so far forward it should not be considered, in total, as tongue weight when seeking the trailers loaded tongue weight. Yes it should be considered against the total weight rating of the receiver. With something that massive and positioned that close to the TV there are 2 considerations here.
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2004 Excursion 4x4
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