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Old 11-12-2005, 07:41 PM   #15
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I'll check the sticker, but I'm almost certain that I'm not even close to the weight rating of my rear axle, it's a Dana Heavy Duty 70 series rear. I was towing with the spring bars (unknown weight value) on the third chain link, as suggested by the PO. The ride was way too rough for the AS and was rubbing the side bath fixtures against the shell. The axles are good, so I knew that wasn't it. So after doing a little looking on this site I came to the conclusion that the heavy duty suspension on my truck was too beefy for the trailer to ride properly with the spring bars at the third link. So I tried the second link....no difference that I could tell. I towed at the first link for awhile but it didn't seem to do anything to lift the truck. So now I don't really bother unless I have the bed of the truck loaded with firewood and such.
Wyjhr mentioned the weight of the engine in the front, I have to agree. The listed weight of my Cummins Engine (dry) is 1200 lbs. The truck does not squat more than about 1 1/2 to 2 inches when the trailer is loaded onto it. The TV and trailer tow in a straight line at any speed I've tried. On the PA Tpk. in Aug. I looked down and saw I was doing better than 80. I didn't even notice I was going that fast. I immediately backed her down and set the cruise at 70, but it handled fine at high speeds. Emergency stops haven't posed any problems either. No sway, no wagging, no jerking, etc... I just keep my tires inflated properly, brakes adjusted, running gear in good working order, etc...

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I use the orig. friction sway control that came with my trailer. I still use the WD hitch head, but most times don't use the spring bars.
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Old 11-12-2005, 09:20 PM   #16
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Old 11-12-2005, 10:52 PM   #17
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Hi, Lowell,

Thanks, but I can't even think of towing this thing untiill I get to my towing dealer to set my drop rate to get the trailer level. Then I can decide what else is needed.

I know that I have moved from a marginal tow machine to a bull elephant of a machine, but I haven't changed the part being towed, so it's just a matter of adapting the ride, to I hope, the glide of the 2003 CTD.

Lowell, thank you very much for your points.

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Old 11-13-2005, 07:44 AM   #18
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He hasn't been here since the 11th. I am sure he will return, and catch up on all the posts.
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:46 AM   #19
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Lowell -- Take note of the federal-required sticker on driver's side doorpost (or other figures in your owners' manual). Somewhere you should be able to find the weight at the rear axle for the empty truck.
Bob, those figures are for the capacity of the axles, not the unladen weight. If you look at the sticker, it will say "front GAWR" which is gross axle weight rating, and the same for the rear. The two together should be more than the GVWR if you add them together.
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Old 11-13-2005, 08:37 AM   #20
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From the "1998 Dodge Ram Pickup Owner's Manual Cummins Turbo Diesel", Second Edition, Chrysler Corporation reference 81-326-9822, page 146 :-

"Trailer sway control and equalizing hitch are required for tongue weights over 350 lbs. (159 kg)"

You will note the word "required", rather than "recommended". Tongue weight for my Excella is 800 pounds. Even if I were not convinced of the need for the distribution (equalizing) hitch on the grounds of safety, I would use it to protect my legal position in the event of an accident.
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Yes, Terry, I was shooting from the hip and was off the mark there. It occurred to me later that going to a CAT scale is the best way to be sure. I'm looking at 3/4-tonners and don't think I'd ever go without weight distribution though...

Each brand assembles their options in different fashion. Looking on a Ford lot, virtually every single truck in stock has an option package for a slide-in camper package. The camper package beefs up both the front & rear springs. Even the stabilizer bar package beefs up the front springs. Heavier rear springs should only lead to a harsher ride -- right? It seems like the extra front springs would fight against the WD bars. I'd guess there isn't a rating system for the 'softest' 3/4-tonner out there...
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hi folks
i'll add to this thread too, so that when andy does chime in, he'll have one more post to correct....

for lamar, i agree the only sure way to measure the effect of load bars is too visit the cat scales and stay on long enough to adjust the bars from zero to max. record axles loads at each setting and with all the usual gear in the truck bed.... here's the thread where i did just that and it sure was helpful.

http://www.airforums.com/forum...ght=cat+scales

one can also measure truck stance without trailer and make adjustments in load bars that attempts to restore the untrailered positioning but this still isn't as good as the scales. after diailing in weight distribution that even andy felt was near perfect.....the rear of my 3/4 ton ford still sagged a small but visible inch.

i use 1000lb bars with the 05 34 that has the beefed up trailer suspension and i don't feel my trailer is being harshly affected by the truck. i've left the dog bowl near full and a coffee cup on the dinette without spills....

but if you do opt for lighter bars.....i think the notion is, that ideal weight distribution can still be achieved.....just with more bend/bow in the bars....and these lighter bars flex more/ are springer during travel and that's what's "easier" on the trailer.....still i would do the scale drill with 1000 and with 800lb bars and not guess at the settings.

canoe stream...
so you're shopping 3/4 ton trucks? well i do like the ford sd longbed crew with the power stroke....and the ride of the 4x4 is better than i ever imagined...towing and sans trailer...... BUT understanding the "up rated" springs that come with the various options (fx, camper, 4x4 and so on) takes some thought.....and reading the fine print. on the ford sd ps 4x4 the max spring available is 10,000 lb rated ...i think..which is THE spring already on the truck.....so once you're considering that truck, the various options like fx or camper package DO NOT further increase the spring rating....and actually the only value item from the camper package at that point is the 'certificate' that gives the c of g location.....not worth it imo. the rear anti sway bar can be added without the camper package and at a $ savings....

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Old 11-14-2005, 12:53 PM   #23
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To all.

I have been away, for personal reasons, since November 2nd.

I will provide, once again, a detailed, proven fact, regarding hitch selection, in a few days, when my doc says it's ok.

However, to those that don't believe in the need for a load equalizing hitch, because the rear axle can carry the weight, "good luck, carry plenty of liability isurance, make sure your life insurance policy is paid, AND, leave your loved ones and family home, where they will be safe".

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Old 11-14-2005, 05:00 PM   #24
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Nick,
Thanks for the excerpt from the Dodge manual, I hadn't noticed it before. I want this truck to last a looooong time, so I'll follow the warning.

I'll go back to using the spring bars next time I tow. If I take a picture do you think anyone will be able to identify the weight value of the bars. I want to be safe, but don't want to beat the AS. In the spring I guess I should make a trip to the scales. Definately want to be safe, but will still keep my life insurance paid up, and will continue to bring my wife and dogs along.

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. . If I take a picture do you think anyone will be able to identify the weight value of the bars. . .
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If they are Reese bars, try this thread, post #62: http://www.airforums.com/forum...t-13393-2.html
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Thanks Mark, I'll definately measure the thickness of the bars. If they are too heavy, I'll get smaller ones. According to the above post it looks like I should have 550 lb bars. Thanks again.
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If you have a Reese hitch, the bar weight rating and dimensions as measured at the trunnion are as follows, when used with the straight line (dual cam)sway control..

1 inch = 550 pounds

1 1/8 inch = 750 pounds

1 1/4 inch = 1000 pounds.

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Old 11-14-2005, 07:22 PM   #28
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Thanks Andy. I believe the hitch is a Reese. The actual draw bar and WD head and assembly are newer than the bars and the sway slide. The ones that came with the camper were bent (yes bent) after I was rear-ended last October. The other guys insurance company did not want to replace the slightly bent hitch set-up until I had my lawyer contact him. I firmly assured him that I was not going to tow a 31 ft. trailer with a hitch that took a 35 mph impact. I then recieved a new reciever, WD hitch head, long drop, and electrical hook-up.
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