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Old 11-04-2009, 09:46 PM   #15
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- the 1000s just continue to BEND but after reaching their rating, MOVE NO MORE MASS...

- towing with the current set up is gonna STRESS the rear trailer tires and axles....
Wow, you can figure out all that?

There was another measurement at the scale which I didn't mention...(I was afraid that it may dilute the focus of the discussion, but I should have)

No WD adjustment was made from #5) setting in my original post. I had just rolled the rig to a few feet in order to weigh trailer's tandem axles separately...

#6) 8040 (tow vehicle), 2740 (front tandem), 3360 (rear tandem).

#5) 3440 front, 4560 rear, 6140 trailer (front tandem + rear tandem)

These above 2 figures are measured only seconds apart.

3440 + 4560 = 8000 (doesn't equal 8040...!)

2740 + 3360 = 6100 (doesn't equal 6140...!)

The measurement of #6) is done with front tandem and the rear tandem on different weigh plate of the truck scale; each axle weighing on the edge of the each plate...

So, I thought it was a fluke or the inaccuracy of the scale when I saw the significant difference of front tandem (2740) & rear tandem (3360)... And I didn't think it was a big deal...
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:55 PM   #16
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..So, I thought it was a fluke or the inaccuracy of the scale when I saw the significant difference of front tandem (2740) & rear tandem (3360)...
And I didn't think it was a big deal...
no fluke and the accuracy of the weighing looks very good.

and that REAR tandem axle load will INCREASE with MOVEMENT down the road.

again the extra load may not cause any (obvious) harm but then again it may.

ideally each axle (and each side) are loaded similarly.
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you have done a great job getting data and the numbers all appear sensible given the players.

i suspect that AFTER strapping on the right stinger and w/d bars,

the NEXT time it's weighed you'll DIAL it in tight and proper.

but take a real camera with ya!

(i am laughing hard about you pointing the LAPTOP at the rig to take a pic...)

no wonder the store manager wanted u outta there.

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Old 11-04-2009, 09:57 PM   #17
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It's amazing how 2air conjectured all that...

ACK on 8-inch stinger and the 1400 lb WD bars... (should have prepared before..., but I didn't know any better...)

Right now, this very moment,

- I just bicycle pumped my H2's rear axle air bag suspension (I had thought wrongly that AS liked a cushy ride, so I didn't stiffen up my rear when I started driving...)

- Trickling out the water now.

- I have shifted all the heavy stuff (tool boxes, crates of books, etc. 100 ~ 150 lbs) to mid-bath floor and the shower room.
Dumping water now.

- pumping up AS's rear tandem tires. Infrared temp monitor showed higher temp on rear tires. (amazing 2 air! Most importantly, your comments deconstruct what's happening and help me understand...)
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:02 PM   #18
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Rear tandem tires were about 80F.
Front tandem tires were about 73F.

No more juice on my battery. Gotta drive some more to inverter charge. On my way... at 55 ~ 60 mph.

Arigato, Shie-Shie, Grazie Mille, Gracias Muchos...
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:36 PM   #19
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Getting shooed out by the manager - what a poor sport... Stay warm and wishin' you luck.
Laura
I appreciate ur support, Laura.

Towing is labor/energy/attention intensive activity! It takes so much out me. I had only done few trips so far, only a few thousand miles of exp.

@ 2Air, thank you for helping me out kindly.


Lights out. Zzzzz...
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:52 AM   #20
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Getting shooed out by the manager - what a poor sport.
I guess manager didn't realize he was looking at a very rare street-side door A/S...
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WD bars photo...

The 1000 lb WD bars seem pretty tight to me. You see how the WD jack is slanted...
The torsion bars should be parallel to the ground, never going uphill as you have them.

In your case, you are putting severe stresses on the very short chain when you make a turn.

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r u referring to the safety chains? I thought they looked a tad long... truck/trailer straight in-line (for Hensley) is the maximum distance between chain endpoints.. when turning the distance is reduced, and with that slack they'll prolly drag
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The torsion bars should be parallel to the ground, never going uphill as you have them.

In your case, you are putting severe stresses on the very short chain when you make a turn...
as fc' notes the safety chains get SLACKER in turns.

AND there are NO chains at the w/d bar ends on a haha, (see the pic)

and the torsion bar attachment point PIVOTS fore/aft when turning.

it's also NOT uncommon for the w/d bar shafts to NOT be parallel with the ground? (or A frame) depending on the haha set up.

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read here awhile, 2 get up 2 speed on this contraption and how it differs from conventional hitches, in setup and use.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ide-26279.html

it might take some time however 2 digest it all.

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I guess manager didn't realize he was looking at a very rare street-side door A/S...
i thought of that too, while doing a double take on the pics...

then remembered the pic was shot with the pin hole camera above the screen of a laptop...

lets hope its a mac'

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Old 11-05-2009, 02:40 PM   #24
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As you can see Astroboy ITS like I have always said
"THE TAIL IS IN THE SCALE"
You've done well GRASSHOPPER!
It will come to ya,just be patient.
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I don't care if its a mac' or an imac' or a macktruk, I can barely see the bars, let alone tell if they are bent.

Good job 2air'.
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