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Old 07-08-2016, 07:28 AM   #155
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Since we're severely off topic anyway, I'll toss this out. At the commercial driving school where we took our RV driving class a couple of weeks ago, the instructor spent quite some bit of time talking about safe following distances when towing. Let's just say it's way more than we thought it was. He suggested 1 second of distance for every 10 MPH up to 40. After that, add an additional 1 second (e.g. at 50 MPH, following distance should be 6 seconds). Then, if it's raining, add another 2 seconds to that.

We learned were following too closely and this was a good wake-up call to give more room in exchange for greater safety. He acknowledged that it's tough to maintain that much open space, especially in heavy traffic, but said the right answer is to keep backing off after someone jumps into your buffer, even though it's annoying, in an attempt to maximize your safety - protecting yourselves, your trailer, and those around you.

Oh, and he also said that professional truckers often refer to those driving / towing RVs as "terrorists," because they seem to have zero understanding of safe following distances.

The way I teach our drivers following distance is similar.
4 seconds following distance up to 35 mph-
6 seconds following distance over 35 mph-
More is better-
It's all about that space.


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Old 07-08-2016, 07:32 AM   #156
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^^^ Probably good rules of thumb for safe following distances.

The PP hitch and truck (2500 with diesel brake) we have is very confidence inspiring, but I feel following distance is over looked as a risk. I am guilty of leaving room, maybe too much room, in front of me on a regular basis.

Even though cars these days have phenomenal brakes, and tire technology has improved vastly, you can't have too much space ahead of you. I frequently have people pull into the gap in front of me, causing me to throttle down to maintain space.

Same for passing; I always wait until I get well past the vehicle before pulling back into the right lane.

Question: In a car, I was taught only to pull back in when I saw the vehicle in my rear view mirror.

When pulling a trailer, what guidance do you follow to allow adequate space after passing a vehicle?

There is no such thing as leaving too much room.
We should not trust or rely on technology features of newer cars to go faster, closer, etc.
We should all drive like 40 years ago- no power steering, no power brakes- not to mention no anti-lock brakes-
Back then we were forced to be better drivers due to the limitations of our vehicles.
The safety features are all good, but never a substitute for good driving habits/practices.
Even though push/pull on the steering wheel is not necessary because we all have power steering these days, it is still a good practice to force you to slow down and control your vehicle.
Speed is not your friend.
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Old 07-08-2016, 07:47 AM   #157
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^^^ At least I'm old enough to know what push pull is.

Good points.
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Old 07-08-2016, 08:11 AM   #158
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The sun sometimes creates a nice shadow on the curb side of the rig which is a good reference that one has cleared the other vehicle. Since I have the Voyager rear view wireless cameras on both trailers, I make sure the passed vehicle is a ways behind before pulling in. Sometimes the truckers will flash their headlights.

I always flash my headlights once the semi-trailer is safely clear of my rig so they can safely pull in. I usually get a thank you flash of their rear lights.
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I always flash my headlights once the semi-trailer is safely clear of my rig so they can safely pull in. I usually get a thank you flash of their rear lights.
Good to see that there are still people on the road who practice common courtesy.

I do the same.

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To know when to come back into the lane:
Your entire rig is past the vehicle you are overtaking and you can see lots of space between the rear of your vehicle and the front of the vehicle you are overtaking-
Another way I judge:
When the front of the vehicle following directly behind me in my lane me is even with the front of the vehicle I am overtaking- Then I know I won't take off their front bumper moving back over in front.
Actually, I very seldom pass anyone because I tow at the posted speed limit up to 65 mph. At speed limits above 65 mph I still tow at 65 mph maximum for reasons already mentioned- fuel economy and following distance/reaction time for evasive/avoidance maneuvers-
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Old 07-08-2016, 08:40 AM   #161
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The sun sometimes creates a nice shadow on the curb side of the rig which is a good reference that one has cleared the other vehicle. Since I have the Voyager rear view wireless cameras on both trailers, I make sure the passed vehicle is a ways behind before pulling in. Sometimes the truckers will flash their headlights.

I always flash my headlights once the semi-trailer is safely clear of my rig so they can safely pull in. I usually get a thank you flash of their rear lights.
The shadow is a great reference point.

I started noticing the flash signal adter passing this year and started repeating it for semis that passed me.

I got some flashes in return, as well as the left-right-left turn signal sequence. I gather that sequence is also used.

I do have an on topic question.

This past trip, we went from Portland to Tampa to Ontario Canada to New Jersey to Tampa (long story.).

During that time, we changed from a 27' FC to a 30' FC, and towed the 30' FC anywhere from fairly loaded to pretty much empty.

My W/D bars (1,400 lbs) were set anywhere from 6" to 7" in elevation above the hitch in order to avoid porpoising.

Recognizing I need to get to a CAT scale, is that amount of change in bar height more or less normal on a PP hitch?

For example, would you typically change the bar height if you, say, filled the water tank (54 gallons in my case)?
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Old 07-08-2016, 10:38 AM   #162
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From my experience towing a 22' with 1000 pound bars. I have to adjust between 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 inches depending on load in the AS and TV bed

Sounds reasonable. If I'm too light on WD it's real obvious porpoising. A little more cranked into the jacks and it settles right down.


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Should I need a Pro Pride hitch with a F350 2006 Diesel super cab 4x4 long bed towing a 25' 2003 Safari? I have regular sway bars on the trailer now.
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Old 04-03-2017, 10:50 PM   #164
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Should I need a Pro Pride hitch with a F350 2006 Diesel super cab 4x4 long bed towing a 25' 2003 Safari? I have regular sway bars on the trailer now.
That is a Six Sigma question. What is your risk profile - how many 9's of safety makes you comfortable?

I suspect there are many folks who will say you don't need any sway bars for a F350 towing a 25 footer. Adding any kind of sway control improves your safety, but at a price. Pro Pride or Hensley provides top of the line sway elimination at a higher cost.

So if you are the guy who always has the once in a million possible thing go wrong....
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Old 04-04-2017, 11:18 PM   #165
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Hensley has changed for the worse

Perhaps HaHa was a great idea, great company.

However, that is no longer the case, IMHO.

I bought one, new. They shipped me used. I complained, they shipped more parts, new but used!!

Hey guys, whats the deals. SO they said we promise to hand pick good parts! WHAT? I asked, they are not all good?

They really aren't professionals, pretty poor service. Warehouse shipping is a joke. Quality control is a foreign subject to them.

The quality of the head and jacks new, out of the box, was flaking paint, and rusting. The jacks arrived literally scratched and worn from use.

Has anyone seen a haha, 5 yrs old, that wasn't chalky orange mess? Why. I am guessing they don't want to pay to fix the problem.

It was a frustrating experience. They change their tune when I sent it back, and became uncooperative, or silent.

They need to wake up, or file bankruptcy. It is coming if they don't.
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Perhaps HaHa was a great idea, great company.

However, that is no longer the case, IMHO.

I bought one, new. They shipped me used. I complained, they shipped more parts, new but used!!

Hey guys, whats the deals. SO they said we promise to hand pick good parts! WHAT? I asked, they are not all good?

They really aren't professionals, pretty poor service. Warehouse shipping is a joke. Quality control is a foreign subject to them.

The quality of the head and jacks new, out of the box, was flaking paint, and rusting. The jacks arrived literally scratched and worn from use.

Has anyone seen a haha, 5 yrs old, that wasn't chalky orange mess? Why. I am guessing they don't want to pay to fix the problem.

It was a frustrating experience. They change their tune when I sent it back, and became uncooperative, or silent.

They need to wake up, or file bankruptcy. It is coming if they don't.
My experience with Hensley is exactly the opposite of this. I have dealt with them for the past four years and they have been prompt, professional, helpful, and great to work with. I have ordered some parts and done a hitch exchange recently and the customer service could not have been better. My four year old Arrow orange paint is not flaking or "chalky". I have put a lot of miles on this hitch and it has worked flawlessly.
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:21 AM   #167
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I'm beginning to feel embarrassed - like being a ProPride owner is like being in a cult.

Look - HaHa is a very good product. ProPride is a very good product. Practically all the commercial brand hitches are good products. You had a bad experience - clearly. I get that. It does happen. They sell new and reconditioned - something got lost in translation with your order and it was a bad experience for you. Understood. ProPride had a stinger weld failure which is far more severe than flaking paint. That was a one-off. They're not perfect either. Still a very good product.

You have 2 choices if you want a VPP product - both are good, both have their flaws, both companies and products have pros and cons like every other product and company on the planet. Seen any ranting on these forums about how Airstream sucks and is going out of business for their crappy quality? Tell that to the team that OK'd the expansion of the factory, purchased Nest, added a European product line, nearly doubled output, sold every last Pendleton at big bux, etc.

Quality can always be improved. Ranting against an organization that's been in business for decades because of one bad experience seems disproportionate to me. YMMV.

If PullRite ever brings back their TT hitch - I'm leaving the cult!
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:01 AM   #168
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Save your money and buy an equalizer
I had a propride and for me the 4p equalizer is better
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