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Old 11-17-2009, 04:16 PM   #1
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Hensley tow bar changing Chevy to Ford

I am going to pull some with my Ford F150 instead of my Chevy. The Ford has a softer ride, not 4X4, smaller tires and sits a good 3 inches lower than the Chevy 1500.
I flipped the bar to raise the tongue for the Ford, it would drag the ground if I hooked like the Chevy.
Is this to high? The Chevy may be towing a little low but towed fine.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:40 PM   #2
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Airstreams want to be towed level. If you are towing tongue high you are increasing the tongue weight because the Airstream axles do not compensate for being off level as most other types of trailers do because of the type od axle used.

Try and get the tongue lower on the red truck.

It is not an easy swap truck for truck when using a WD hitch. You have to go through the complete setup to insure you have reasonable weight on the front axle of the TV. If you are going to be swapping back and forth from one truck to another do the setup for each truck and record the settings. Changing the settings when swapping may take an hour or more, even with recorded info, if done right.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:16 PM   #3
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Thanks HowieE, I may have to get a new bar if I can not get it down a little. I did drive it around a few miles, sure did tow good. Lot softer than the Chevy, it is 4X4 and has a heavy suspension. I called Hensley and they are looking at the pic's also and are supposed to call back in the morning.
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hi airhead'

pics are useful

but numbers are important too.

setting these things up isn't rocket science OR magic, it's a little of both.

selecting the proper drop stinger requires MEASURING the receiver box height UNhitched.

1.--??do you have THAT figure for either or both trucks???

2.--it helps to know tongue mass, what is that?

--ideally the combo is set up using scale weights,

3. and since this is NOT mentioned i'll assume axle weights have NOT be gathered.
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i don't like the LOOK of either rig.

4. close UPs are needed but the screw jacks and bars and struts don't look right in either combo.

5. --??what are the bar ratings?? if they are 1000 or 1400 they appear WAY over flexed/angled, 4 THAT trailer...

which suggests the original stinger/set up isn't proper.
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6.?-is that stinger a 2 inch drop or 4 inch drop?
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one should only need an UP side stinger if towing with a sedan.
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now lets ASSUME the red truck is 3 inches LOWER than the white one (measure this please)...

THAT reading would suggest LESS drop is needed on the stinger of ~3 inches...

HOWEVER...

if the RED truck is softer sprung and COMPRESSES more under dead load, this would OFFSET some of the stinger difference.

for example you might only need 1-2 inches LESS drop on a different stinger for the red truck...

OR u might be able to use the ORIGINAL stinger as ORIGINALLY positioned...

NOT UP, but down.

FLIPPING the current stinger is either a 4 inch or 8 inch change and BOTH are too much change.
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the 'softer rear' truck would require MORE tensioning on the screw jacks and this would lift both the truck and trailer at the junction.

which is why the original stinger in the ORIGINAL orientation may be ok.
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again the MEASUREMENTS matter, and the SCALE weights matter.

OR the wheel well heights can be used UNTIL the scale readings are obtained.
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so ANSWER some of the questions above and provide MORE data points.

cheers
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lastly howieE may be correct about the TIME needed for swapping conventional hitches...

but in THIS hitch apparatus it should take NO LONGER to hook up either of 2 different trucks.

there is NOTHING that needs adjusting between the 2 trucks IF the correct stinger and w/d bars are used.

and the jacks/w-d bars can be properly tensioned on EITHER combo in seconds.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:13 PM   #5
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hi airhead'

pics are useful

but numbers are important too.

setting these things up isn't rocket science OR magic, it's a little of both.

selecting the proper drop stinger requires MEASURING the receiver box height UNhitched.

1.--??do you have THAT figure for either or both trucks???
16.5 inch for white; 14.5 inch for red

2.--it helps to know tongue mass, what is that?
Do not Know
--ideally the combo is set up using scale weights,

3. and since this is mentioned i'll assume axle weights have NOT be gathered. You assume correctly
____________

i don't like the LOOK of either rig. Me neither

4. close UPs are needed but the screw jacks and bars and struts don't look right in either combo.

5. --??what are the bar ratings?? if they are 1000 or 1400 they appear WAY over flexed/angled... Bar rating is 1000 lbs

which suggests the original stinger/set up isn't proper.
____________

6.?-is that stinger a 2 inch drop or 4 inch drop? It must be 4 inch
____________

one should only need an UP side stinger if towing with a sedan.
____________

now lets ASSUME the red truck is 3 inches LOWER than the white one (measure this please)... 2 inches

THAT reading would suggest LESS drop is needed on the stinger of ~3 inches...

HOWEVER...

if the RED truck is softer sprung and COMPRESSES more under dead load, this would OFFSET some of the stinger difference.

for example you might only need 1-2 inches LESS drop on a different stinger for the red truck...

OR u might be able to use the ORIGINAL stinger as ORIGINALLY positioned...

NOT UP, but down. The bars would drag

FLIPPING the current stinger is either a 4 inch or 8 inch change and BOTH are too much change.
___________

the 'softer rear' truck would require MORE tensioning on the screw jacks and this would lift both the truck and trailer at the junction.

which is why the original stinger in the ORIGINAL orientation may be ok. That would be nice
__________

again the MEASUREMENTS matter, and the SCALE weights matter.

OR the wheel well heights can be used UNTIL the scale readings are obtained. I can do that
__________

so ANSWER some of the questions above and provide MORE data points.

cheers
2air'

lastly howieE may be correct about the TIME needed for swapping conventional hitches...

but in THIS hitch apparatus it should take NO LONGER to hook up either of 2 different trucks.

there is NOTHING that needs adjusting between the 2 trucks IF the correct stinger and w/d bars are used.

and the jacks/w-d bars can be properly tensioned on EITHER combo in seconds.
I think I may need a 2 inch drop or straight for both. If you would come to the Can Opener instead of being in the water somewhere you could help me & HowieE figure this out! If HowieE is up to it. As always, thanks to you both!
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ok, good info.

i'll get back 2 this AFTER the game.

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1.--??do you have THAT figure for either or both trucks???
16.5 inch for white; 14.5 inch for red

2.--it helps to know tongue mass, what is that?
Do not Know


3. and since this is mentioned i'll assume axle weights have NOT be gathered. You assume correctly
____________

i don't like the LOOK of either rig. Me neither

5. --??what are the bar ratings?? if they are 1000 or 1400 they appear WAY over flexed/angled... Bar rating is 1000 lbs

____________

6.?-is that stinger a 2 inch drop or 4 inch drop? [COLOR="red"]It must be 4 inch[/COLOR
____________

__________

again the MEASUREMENTS matter, and the SCALE weights matter.

OR the wheel well heights can be used UNTIL the scale readings are obtained. I can do that
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ok airhead ...

it would appear a 2 inch drop stinger will WORK well...

for at least ONE of the trucks...
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in both truck pics the trailer NOSE looks HIGH and the screw jacks FULL UP.

and in neither do the trucks look LEVEL, or close to it.

i can't determine from the pics IF the haha is installed ideally (struts, jacks and forward droop)

but 1000 lb bars should be adequate for BOTH trucks and that trailer.

i think u need to get the 2 inch bar AND go over the INSTALL again, with the manual.

IF the trailer is LEVEL, then drops SLIGHTLY when hooked up using a 2 inch bar...

1-2 notches (inches) of turning the screw jacks should bring it back to level...

the truck needs HEIGHT measurements at the wheel wells before/after tensioning or ideally scale readings...

NONE of this really affects sway control inherent to the hitch,

but it ALL affects ride, tire and axle wear and steering control on the tv side.

there will be 10+ of this sorta hitch users at the opener, so U will get lots of advice.

i don't think howieE has a haha, but he does have a kayak...

cheers
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