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Old 09-06-2012, 04:47 PM   #29
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A PP and Hensley don't add to TW once hitched up. Think about it......before you come unglued. Once your hitched the weight of all that "stuff" is truck payload weight. Your tongue weight is what is on the ball, not on the stinger. Just because it is "stored" on the tongue, doesn't make it tongue weight once hitched.
Oh Boy! I just love a good argument!

If it's not tongue weight, it's got to be weight on the back of the truck, or does it magically disapear?????

The fact is the hitch weighs about 200 pounds, and it's there no mater if you call it tongue weight, or weight carried by the truck...it's still there and MUST be calculated into the total load.
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:00 PM   #30
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A PP and Hensley don't add to TW once hitched up. Think about it......before you come unglued. Once your hitched the weight of all that "stuff" is truck payload weight. Your tongue weight is what is on the ball, not on the stinger. Just because it is "stored" on the tongue, doesn't make it tongue weight once hitched.

If I stored my Reese drawbar on the coupler....it doesn't become tongue weight when I hitch it up.
I realize that this is a combination of semantics and chicken and egg. However here is how I look at it.

First of all lets disregard weight distribution and look at when the trailer is first coupled. The hitch on the back of a tow vehicle is rated in lbs of tongue weight (among other things) What exactly does that mean? Since the truck comes new with a bare hitch receiver. I say that anything that is added that bears down on that receiver is tongue weight. That must include the stinger since the manufacturer has no control over what is used there. So it doesn't really matter that part of the ProPride is hanging from the trailer hitch socket or not. Those pounds of weight are a downward force on the hitch receiver. Therefore they must be part of tongue weight counted against the rating. I am sure you must agree that, if I build a giant steel block stinger weighing 500 lbs, I have used up 500 lbs of my tongue weight rating. To me the mass of the ProPride is no different.

The unfortunate thing is that they chose to call it tongue weight, when it would have been more appropriately called vertical hitch load.

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Old 09-06-2012, 06:06 PM   #31
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Oh Boy! I just love a good argument!

If it's not tongue weight, it's got to be weight on the back of the truck, or does it magically disapear?????

The fact is the hitch weighs about 200 pounds, and it's there no mater if you call it tongue weight, or weight carried by the truck...it's still there and MUST be calculated into the total load.
Uh...that's what I said!
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Yes, it is counted in axle load, receiver capacity calculation, GCWR, GVWR, but not tongue weight. That is a trailer weight figure. You're right it is semantics, but there must be a particular name for precise calculations to be meaningful, or you have chaos...wait...that's what we have. Nevermind.
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Uh...that's what I said!
OK, it's weight the truck has to carry that just happens to be on, or about, the hitch ball.
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OK, it's weight the truck has to carry that just happens to be on, or about, the hitch ball.
No, on the receiver and the coupler rests on the ball.
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Old 09-06-2012, 06:22 PM   #35
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On the ProPride, the bulk of the weight is centered about 19-20" behind the receiver....right about where the ball is.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:29 PM   #36
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Steve, I'm not trying to be difficult. Let me explain why this is an important point of distinction of where and how weights affect components.

When I added a Hensley and a bike rack and bikes to the front end of the AS, my measured tongue weight (a TRAILER SPEC) went from 850# to 1150#. This is with the Hensley hanging from the receiver and unhitched. AS says my maximum allowable tongue weight is 1000#.
I am a believer in stated specs...period. (OK, for the most part)
I could bore you with all the math and the weights of the HAHA components that I got from Hensley, and how much of that is 100% receiver weight and how much is shared between receiver weight and tongue weight....etc. But I won't. Unless you really want it.
Bottom line, with understanding where the load is while hitched up is important in rearranging stuff to meet spec.

In my case, after accounting for the "false" tongue weight while unhitched and rearranging some items in the AS, I got back down to 900# ACTUAL tongue weight on the ball of the HAHA. That satisfies the AS TW spec.

Ken is absolutely right, the receiver Mfrs, should call their spec "total vertical load", which would be TW + stinger + HAHA Head + a portion of the spring bar and strut weight. This is also important to GRAWR and GVWR as well.
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And if you had been using a hitch like the Andersen that weighs 65 pounds, that by the way is mostly attached to the stinger, not the tongue of the trailer, your tongue weight would have been what?
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I like my ProPride also, but realize the fact that it weighs over 200 pounds and that weight is right at the hitch coupler.
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No, most of the weight is at the receiver....while hitched up. Weight on the ball through the coupler is a portion of the struts, a portion of the spring bars, all of the jacks, and all of the jack brackets. NONE of the head nor stinger weight is TW...it is receiver borne weight.

In my case, with the HAHA, of the total weight of all the components is 207.5#. Of that 99#s is the head (all receiver weight..zero TW while hitched), 41# is stinger weight (again zero TW, all receiver weight) That leaves 67.5# of weight for the Jacks, Jack brackets, spring bars and struts. I SWAG that 3/4 of that is TW and 1/4 is receiver weight, as the struts and spring bar weights are shared between TW and receiver load.
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Has anyone used a backup camera to make the hitching part a little easier, regardless of hitch manufacturer?
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