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Old 04-11-2013, 04:42 PM   #15
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The Hensley factory suggestion is to raise the trailer hitch high with the electric jack. Slide the empty hitch shipping box with the Hensley on top under the elevated trailer hitch and lower it down gently on to the Hensley ball. No strains imparted to any body parts....

No holes drilled into the box frame.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:02 PM   #16
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dznf0g - yes I believe I do have the dual cam. Could you explain what the cams are? and how they should be adjusted. I know what you are talking when you mentioned the bar humps. How to determined if they are centered, I don't know.

Based on the info received, will try to get to the scales tomorrow and ask questions on where to go from there.

Thanks for your input.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:18 PM   #17
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Here is a thread where I road tested and discussed the Reese Dual cam.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...est-76068.html



The cams are the silver (goldish colored on mine) end of the bars. The cams are what rides in the saddle (hump) of the spring bar. They both must be exactly centered in the saddle while going straight down the road or they will constantly try and "find" center...IF you have the proper WD tension on the springs.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:01 AM   #18
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We don't even have the cams, just friction sway. At some point I'll need to do something, if only because the sway control has worn out, but I'm not yet sure what I want to do. I think our bars are a bit too heavy (but I'm not convinced the 800lb bars are heavy enough, since I do get some bend out of the bars we have), and I might add the dual cam sway - the trailer had it installed at some point in the past. Or I might go with a ProPride, which is a lot more expensive. Decisions, decisions. (Sorry for the off-topic posts.)
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:15 AM   #19
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I don't like friction control very much, and not on something as large as your AS. I used one on my 22' SOB for 17 years, and on my popup before that, and it was just barely OK. At a minimum, I'd get dual cam for your setup......but the PPP hitches are fabulous.
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I don't like friction control very much, and not on something as large as your AS. I used one on my 22' SOB for 17 years, and on my popup before that, and it was just barely OK. At a minimum, I'd get dual cam for your setup......but the PPP hitches are fabulous.
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To me, my rig is evidence that an Airstream, even a larger one, with a well set-up basic hitch, can be a good tow. Not that it's necessarily the BEST setup - I'm not claiming that, or dissing any other hitch! - but we aren't white-knuckle driving at all.

Honestly, it tows far better than the car on a dolly rig I did for years with our B190. Maybe that's why it seems so good to me - I know ugly all too well.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:22 AM   #21
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Sorry Skater, thought I was talking to Freedomrider! He was the one complaining about the handling, not you. Back to our regular programming......Freedom, do you have the cam arms?
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dznf0g - Thanks for asking. I do have the dual cams. I took the my Airstream to the scales. Could you help interpret the scale readings?

First my vehicle specs are (2012 Dodge Ran 2500 Diesel): GVWR 9600 lbs
Front Axle - 5500 lbs
Rear Axle - 6010 lbs
Combined weight - 1961

Scale Readings;
Truck Only - Steer Axle - 4780 lbs
Drive Axle - 3880 lbs
Gross Weight - 8660 lbs

Truck and Trailer - Steer Axle - 4860 lbs
Drive Axle - 4800 lbs
Trailer Axle - 8860 lbs
Gross Weight - 18,520 lbs

Trailer GVWR - 10,000 lbs
GAWR Front - 5000 lbs
GAWR Rear - 5000 lbs

Does this mean my tongue weight is 920 lbs?

I did read your thread about dialing in the "Cams", I can't grasp the techniques. I fear I would only make the situation worst. I guess my point is to make sure there is no serious issues, if I have to move to another hitch where I do not have to deal with this problem.

Your help is much appreciated.
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:35 PM   #23
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I really liked my Reese dual cam and found very minimum wiggle problems over 200,000 k of towing with it. You should not be experiencing any wiggle problems with your rig if it is set up properly. Your scale numbers suggest that you have to move more weight to the front axel. (Assuming that the contraption is attached to the trailer correctly, you know, dialled in). I would shorten the links. Perhaps it will require two links given your wheel base and weight delta on your axels. You did't say the lb rating on your bars, but you should probably have 1400 lb bars given your long wheel base and you most likely have about 1200 lbs of tongue wt with a 30 ft Airstream. Joim
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It appears your TW is 1000#. You also added 80 lbs to the front axle with WD. That is a calculated weight and pretty accurate, but I prefer a Shurline tongue scale to check on a regular basis, as I tend to add things on some trips, like an Arvika bike rack, bikes, ramps to get my scooter out of the truck bed, etc.
Looks like a pretty balanced WD setup to me.
Check for the centering of the cams in their saddles and see if your handling improves.
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The tongue weight is approximately 1280# with approximately 280# being transferred to the trailer axles leaving 1000# to be carried by the TV.

When the tongue weight was applied to the TV with no WD, approximately 490# would have been removed from the TV's front axle, and approximately 1770# added to the rear axle.

Application of WD caused about 560# to be added back onto the front axle resulting in a net increase of about 70# on the front axle (the scales indicate 80# added).

I don't know if Ram gives any specification for how much load to add back onto the front axle.

IMO, the front axle load when towing with WDH activated should not be greater than the load when unhitched.

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Crap, forgot to look at the AS axles....sorry.

I don't agree with Ron's last statement though....IMO as well.
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Old 04-14-2013, 01:33 PM   #27
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Thanks for the info. It seems that I don't have a serious weight issue by all input. The simplest thing is to try Jim Flower's suggestion. I can do that. Also, I will call the dealer to check on the weight of my bars. Thought they were 1200 lb.

By the way, if weight has to be shifted form front to rear axle or vice versa, how would you do that?

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Think of your weight distribution bars behaving like the handles on a wheel barrow. When you lift up on the handles, the front of the wheel barrow goes down. Lift upon the weight distribution bars, and the front of the vehicle goes down. So shortening the chains causes the weight distribution bars to lift up, therefore more weight to the front axel. The Reese dual cam works best when the bars are under more tension since it is the bar riding up off of the cam that provides the friction to keep the Airstream from swaying. On reading your weights again, it would appear that you are pretty nicely balanced, so maybe shortening by one link will work fine and put a little more weight to the front to better maintain the empty delta. To sort of quote George W, " the handling is the decider". Jim
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