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10-28-2002, 01:56 PM
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hENSLEY HITCH
I understand that hensley hitch requires exactly 45ftlb on the U-bolts. Is this as an absolute? How realistic is it to have just that torque level on all U-bolts all the time? Does anyone have "real world " experience with this requirement?
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10-28-2002, 02:34 PM
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I don't know the answer to your question, but I do have the Hensley phone number: (810) 658-0006. Let us know what they had to say.
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10-28-2002, 02:54 PM
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You don't have to be exact, just snug them all up level and rotate in tighting each nut until you reach the 45#. You'll be fine then!
John
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10-28-2002, 03:48 PM
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I agree with the last person. It is probably more important to have them nearly the same--torque-wise. Realistically, you cannot read a torque wrench exactly and they all have some margin of error. So set your wrench at 45 and wait for the click as you tighten. I do , however, check the torque at least every 1000 miles--but for the record after the first time or two they have stayed close to the 45 lb. setting.
As for the Hensley , do, however, grease the zerks and oil the jack springs frequently. I do it more often that the 1000 mile suggested --perhaps about every 700 or 800 miles.
John
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10-28-2002, 05:28 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1973 31' Excella 500
Duxbury
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Hensley Arrow Torque
Having traveled about 20,000 miles with the H/A hitch on the 34' Limited TT behind a 2500 Suburban and keeping the hitch lubed and torqued, I am very satisfied with the operation of the hitch.
I did have one mishap with it though, while returning from FL 4/'02, I had to jump on the brakes with both feet to avoid hitting some slower vehicles in front of me. (OK, I acknowledge that I wasn't paying attention closely!). The Tekonsha brake controller didn't react soon enough for the TT, although the TTs brakes did lock up, there was about 9K+LBS not stopping soon enough for the H/A hitch.
The U bolts on the curb side allowed the hitch to slide back on the tt hitch thus shearing off the shear bolts on the curb side only.
I called H/A about this and there response was that the shear bolts did what they were supposed to, but he thought that possibly they weren't tight enough.
I replaced them but was unsuccessful at retorquing them to 45 ft.lbs.; the threads stripped out of the hitch. Even on the side that wasn't effected, they stripped out. I feel confident that the Craftsman torque wrench is accurate and I know how they work, etc.
I was told by the factory to tighten the u-bolts VERY tight but not tight enough to distort the thick steel plate between the nuts. This is beyond the 45 LBS torque and WAY beyond they tightness that they were. I tested the torque on these and they are beyond 100 ft. lbs.
I now feel confident that the hitch will stay where it is supposed to be. I do think that if I ever have to stop that fast again, I will probably bend something rather than shear the bolts that won't tighten to 45 ft.lbs.
I have taken the H/A a part each year I have owned it and am very satisfied with the performance of all the components except for the shear bolts. (In my opinion their self threading shear bolts aren't going into holes small enough for them to hold solidly).
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10-28-2002, 06:05 PM
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shear bolts
The shears bolts are designed for a quick visual inspection to see if the hitch has shifted. Their not for support, just visual.
John
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10-28-2002, 08:16 PM
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2001 34' Limited
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LTD,
You mention you have a Limited. You didn't put the U-bolts over Airstream's stainless A frame covers did you? If so, it's probably impossible for the U-bolts to get sufficient grip on the frame not to slide and the shear bolts will have to take all the load. I removed and stored the A frame covers when I installed the hitch.
FWIW, that's why I like the Jordan Ultima controller... an inertia controller is always following what the rig is doing.
TCP,
Use a torque wrench, crank the nuts down finger tight until the plate is level and then tighten them each to about 20 ft-lbs, then go for 45.
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10-29-2002, 04:57 AM
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Greasing the zerks
Princer,
You're correct on greasing the H/A prior to 1000 miles. Per Jarrod @ H/A they now recommend greasing every 500 miles instead of 1000 because people were not greasing at the correct intervals and this was leading to permature part failure.
John
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10-29-2002, 06:59 AM
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Rereading these threads, I am puzzled. I think there is confusion between the shear bolts and the u-bolts. The shear bolts are the self threading bolts that hold the hitch in a certain location. You can easily overtighten these and strip out the threads. These are the bolts that screw horizontally into the A-frame.
The u-bolts clamp the Hensley to the frame, and I guess you could strip the u-bolt threads, but I doubt this would happen at anything close to 45 lbs.
John
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10-29-2002, 03:41 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the input.
While installing my new H/A, I managed to break a U-bolt. (They really fly when they snap. Lesson #1: Always wear safety glasses. Half the U-bolt hit and cut my nose but missed my eyes, Thank God!!!) I would say I suppassed 45ftlbs by a fair bit. I ordered a new U-bolt and installed this one VERY Carefully. Set my torque wrench to 25 ftlb then 40ftlb and finally 45ftlb and no broken U-bolts. I will check the torque on the U-bolts again after a couple of test drives this weekend.
Good luck to all and thank you.
[QUOTE]The first days are hardest days, so don't worry anymore..... " Uncle John's Band" by The Grateful Dead
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10-29-2002, 04:35 PM
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1992 29' Excella
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hey, some one post a picture so i can see how you are trying to put your eyes out.
i have never seen a hensley in real life, how does it work?
sounds like a lot of people like them. what are the u bolts/shear bolts for?
john
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10-29-2002, 05:24 PM
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2001 34' Limited
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Click here to go to their web site and find out more.
The bracket that uses the U bolts to mount on the tongue A frame has two purposes. It's a mount for the screw jacks that tighten the spring bars, and it's what the strut bars attach to in order to keep the hitch head perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the trailer.
Go here and get yourself a Yahoo Groups account if you don't have one already. Then go here to join the Airstream List. In the Files area, I have a write-up on the Hensley and Pullrite hitches here.
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10-29-2002, 05:58 PM
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1992 29' Excella
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road king moe,
went and took a look,
kinda understand how it works now. sounds like there is a semi flexible coupling that is in the shape of a trapiziod.(sp?)
looks like a lot of stuff to fix and adjust. (kinda like my old harley!!)
with my current set up i don't need to use any bars since my truck has hd springs. unless i toss the bike in the back. then i like to tighten the load bars up a couple of links to make everything level and get some weight on the steering axle.
for sway control i just have a reese friction bar
everything works well, can't really see what advantage the hensley offers.
john
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10-29-2002, 06:40 PM
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2001 34' Limited
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Have you weighed each truck axle with and without the trailer?
You might be surprised how much weight is coming off the front axle without using your spring bars... and that's going onto the rear axle in addition to the tongue weight.
Friction sway controls do help reduce sway while the vehicle is in a straight line. The problem is that they oppose the truck turning the trailer as much as they do the trailer turning the truck (especially on tight corners and when backing), and they resist the trailer getting back in a straight line as much as they resist it swaying out. In the rain, when sway control might be most useful, they lose their friction, and you lose sway control.
The Hensley gets rid of all these problems... there's no opposition to the truck turning the trailer, but there's almost infinite resistance to the trailer turning the truck. And the rain doesn't affect it.
There's really nothing complex about it. Most Hensley owners install it themselves and the company encourages that. Hooking up involves backing the drawbar into the hitch, fastening and pinning the overcenter latches, and cranking the screw jacks to tighten the spring bars (like hooking the proper link of a chain on a traditional hitch). Maintenance involves a grease gun on a coupla zerk fittings every 1,000 miles, but you grease spring bars on traditional hitches also.
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10-29-2002, 06:52 PM
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Hey LTD93, see the stainless covers on the A frame arms in front of the trailer but behind the LP bottles?
That's what I was referring to that you can't put U bolts over. Note in the following picture (I know the A frame is a little hard to see) that they're gone.
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10-29-2002, 06:58 PM
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Hensley shear bolts
The shear bolts are the first point to fail (shear) when overstressed by a sudden emergency braking event, allowing the frame bracket to move on the trailer frame. Most likely the trailer brakes were not adjusted correctly for this to occur.
If the U bolts are over torqued, the frame bracket may not slide on the frame. Worse yet , if the trailer brakes are not fully engaged at this point and the frame bracket does not slide, then the full load is transfered to the strut assembly. The strut assembly will most likely bend near the threads at this point. Again this is a designed failure point. Compare these design failure points to the current Indy cars when they hit the wall. Each component absorbs the impact as it folds up. The idea is to protect you. The shear bolts and strut are cheap, in fact they are covered by a lifetime warranty.
Hopefully your rig will be stopped by this point, and it will be behind you. Most systems would have allowed to the trailer to jack-knife.
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10-29-2002, 07:47 PM
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road king moe,
do you have a close up shot of your H/A for John HD to see. That's a nice set-up you have there. Also, I left on my stainless steel and had no interference with the u-bolts.
John
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10-29-2002, 07:52 PM
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disregard photo question
disregard - didn't see previous post.
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10-29-2002, 09:18 PM
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2001 34' Limited
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Quote:
Originally posted by John
road king moe,
do you have a close up shot of your H/A for John HD to see. That's a nice set-up you have there. Also, I left on my stainless steel and had no interference with the u-bolts.
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Thanks, John. Here's a close-up. You can click on the image for an even larger picture. The spring bars initially shipped (shown here) were 1,000 lb and even cranked all the way up, I couldn't quite get the truck quite level. Hensley swapped them for 1,400 lb bars at no charge. I also had to shorten the chains a bit... went a little overboard extending them. Considering a pair of those coiled cables vs chains anyway.
It was the Hensley rep that told me to make sure to remove the stainless covers. Hard head that I am, I had to try it with them. With 45 lbs on the u-bolts I could slide the right cover pretty easily (had drilled the rivets out to lower the gas line below the u-bolt plate). Without the cover, I couldn't move the mount even with a large rubber mallet. That convinced me he was correct.
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10-30-2002, 05:13 AM
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stainless steel covers
I understand your point on the SS covers moving. I'm happy that mine didn't move during my trip to B.C. & back to FL, but I will remove them now. No sense in risking a possible problem when you have the correct information at hand. Thanks for sharing !!
John
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