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05-23-2015, 07:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2023 23' International
Macon
, Georgia
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 705
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rmkrum
Also note that installing a Hensley requires holes in the A frame for bolts. No drilling with ProPride install. It just uses U-bolts. Easy to install, IMHO.
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I prefer a more solid through bolted connection as well as a welded non adjustable stinger. The more solid the connection between tow vehicle and trailer the better, in my opinion.
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05-23-2015, 07:26 AM
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#42
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
alexandria
, Kentucky
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,321
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadtech
I prefer a more solid through bolted connection as well as a welded non adjustable stinger. The more solid the connection between tow vehicle and trailer the better, in my opinion.
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I found that I was able to improve towing characteristics by taking the slop out of the stinger where it is inserted into the receiver. I placed some welds inside of the receiver to get rid of the up/down, side to side movement. I put beads inside. Front and rear floor and a side. There is no more rattle from the hitch area and the trailer tracks much straighter. This has also helped when towing my utility trailer. The adjustable stinger is extremely solid otherwise.
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Steve, Christy, Anna and Phoebe (Border Collie)
1994 Classic 30'11" Excella - rear twin
2009 Dodge 2500, 6 Speed Auto, CTD, Quad Cab, Short Bed
Hensley Arrow hitch with adjustable stinger
WBCCI # 3072
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05-24-2015, 12:54 AM
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#43
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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If it gets sloppy I'll swipe that idea. Interestingly, I just changed TV to a somewhat taller one. Now I'm again glad I picked a ProPride--take out the big wrench, and fix the height in a few minutes of grunt work that is basically free...
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Rich, KE4GNK/AE, Overkill Engineering Dept.
'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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05-24-2015, 01:07 PM
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#44
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rmkrum
, I just changed TV to a somewhat taller one. Now I'm again glad I picked a ProPride--take out the big wrench, and fix the height in a few minutes of grunt work that is basically free...
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As my trailer will change height and the truck go to its third hitch receiver, it's why I bought an adjustable stinger for the HA. Someday it'll be done and I can do an exchange and cut that to fit the tightest.
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05-28-2015, 05:26 AM
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#45
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4 Rivet Member
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Medina
, Ohio
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 332
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I'm in the market for either hitch (PP OR HAHA) used. Following this conversation.
Thank you for all of the comments.
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Liz, Brian and 3 Yorkies
The Silver Pearl & The Black Pearl
2008 25' Safari FB SE Queen converted to King
2014 Ford Expedition EXP Limited 4x4 V-8
McKesh towing mirrors
Centramatic Balancers
Hensley Swift-Arrow Hitch
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05-28-2015, 06:37 AM
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#46
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
alexandria
, Kentucky
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,321
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palmtreegirl,
Propride does sell some refurbished models which is probably a good deal. They are listed on ebay or call Sean.
From time to time there are used Ha,Ha's that come up for sale. Prices vary.
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Steve, Christy, Anna and Phoebe (Border Collie)
1994 Classic 30'11" Excella - rear twin
2009 Dodge 2500, 6 Speed Auto, CTD, Quad Cab, Short Bed
Hensley Arrow hitch with adjustable stinger
WBCCI # 3072
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05-28-2015, 08:20 AM
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#47
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4 Rivet Member
2011 30' Classic
2007 25' International CCD
1993 32' Excella
Largo
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 355
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rmkrum
Yep. Ditto on that. You get an up front price on PP and the right WD bar rating is a phone call to Sean. No BS.
One of the big reasons I went with PP over Hensley was the lack of 'flinch' pricing with PP. straight answers and NO sales BS. I did not like the way Hensley was sold and oversold to me.
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I could not agree more. That's coming from a previous owner of a Hensley on a previous AS many years ago. When it was time to get a hitch for my Classic 30 I spoke with both Hensley and Shawn @ PP and the difference in approach and salesmanship went to Shawn @ Pro Pride. I really appreciate my PP.
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05-31-2015, 05:15 PM
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#48
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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Ditto. Talked to both vendors. Liked the design details of the ProPride better, lack of holes to drill in the A-frame, and the adjustable stinger sold it for me.
Did NOT appreciate the hard sell and push for a sales close games Hensley tried to pull at all. I'm an engineer. I deal in facts, not sales droid BS and obfuscation.
I'm also impressed by how easy it is to install and adjust the PP. A little tuning and experimenting and it's just right fit the AS and TV combo. Pulled over 8,000 miles the first two trips through all kinds of conditions, and the only issue I had was with my tow mirrors getting loose in the wind across Texas...AS followed like a faithful puppy.
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Rich, KE4GNK/AE, Overkill Engineering Dept.
'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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05-31-2015, 05:40 PM
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#49
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2 Rivet Member
2015 27' Flying Cloud
1984 31' Sovereign
Kingwood
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 49
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Funny. The exact opposite happened to me. When talking to PP they were into the bashing HA mode and that really turned me off. But that was several years. Things have settled down a bit. I too am an engineer and I didn't like the PP new yoke design compared to the HA strut bars. It is important that the head not have any rotational play and the yoke design looked to me to be more apt for that to happen. Now I didn't do any real world tests, that was just my observation comparing the two designs and only my opinion. I also like the HA simple stinger design versus the PP adjustable contraption. HA customer service has always been excellent as I'm sure PP is also. Both are good hitches and you can't go wrong with either.
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05-31-2015, 06:12 PM
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#50
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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If properly set up, the PP yoke has no slop in it to speak of. But it does need to be checked for wear which is easy to do. It can be readily adjusted out.
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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05-31-2015, 06:47 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2018 33' Classic
Newport
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 239
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Checked out PP and Hensley
Found no high pressure at Hensley
Will buy back if not satisfied
Excellent customer service
Makes towing my 30 ft Classic a dream
Eark
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06-01-2015, 06:59 AM
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Rivet Master
2023 23' International
Macon
, Georgia
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 705
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I also checked out both last year. I went with Hensley Arrow for a number of reasons. I received excellent information and customer service from Hensley and never once had any high pressure sales applied to me. I feel the HA is a much better design than the PP and worth the difference in price.
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06-01-2015, 08:38 AM
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#53
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4 Rivet Member
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Medina
, Ohio
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 332
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I decided on a refurb Swift-Arrow from Hensley. Terry was so helpful. It will be here tomorrow or the next day at the latest. Looking forward to installing and trying it.
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Liz, Brian and 3 Yorkies
The Silver Pearl & The Black Pearl
2008 25' Safari FB SE Queen converted to King
2014 Ford Expedition EXP Limited 4x4 V-8
McKesh towing mirrors
Centramatic Balancers
Hensley Swift-Arrow Hitch
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06-08-2015, 06:20 AM
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#54
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4 Rivet Member
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Medina
, Ohio
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 332
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Installed Refurbished Hitch
Here is some pictures of the new hitch on my tow vehicle/trailer. Personally, I think the drawbar is too low causing the trailer not to be level.
Opinions?
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Liz, Brian and 3 Yorkies
The Silver Pearl & The Black Pearl
2008 25' Safari FB SE Queen converted to King
2014 Ford Expedition EXP Limited 4x4 V-8
McKesh towing mirrors
Centramatic Balancers
Hensley Swift-Arrow Hitch
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06-08-2015, 07:27 AM
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#55
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Rivet Master
2008 30' Classic S/O
Dearborn
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,403
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you might have too much drop on that stinger...
sharp looking rig!
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06-08-2015, 09:08 AM
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#56
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3 Rivet Member
2017 30' Classic
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
Meadow Vista
, California
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 159
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Question on storage with PP or HA. My AS is stored indoors and they use a forklift with a ball to move. How do you deal with issues like this?
Thanks
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07-11-2015, 12:24 PM
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#57
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2 Rivet Member
1973 31' Excella 500
Cedar Hill
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 21
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I think it's to much drop on the hitch from the pictures, we have the opposite issue with our Hensley.
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07-11-2015, 05:07 PM
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#58
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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Call Hensley. They'll guide you on where to measure and to get the right stinger.
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07-11-2015, 05:23 PM
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#59
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Moderator
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 13,159
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That looks like an 8" drop hitch bar in the photo. When it's real low like that, it tends to bottom out in driveways much more often.
Brian
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WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with ProPride
2020 Silverado 2500 (Vivian)
2023 Rivian R1T (Opal)
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07-13-2015, 06:49 AM
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#60
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3 Rivet Member
2003 30' Classic
Centerville
, Ohio
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 133
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That is clearly the wrong drop bar. I assume you have already changed it.
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