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Old 05-08-2008, 11:17 AM   #15
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Respectfully, I must disagree.

Had I not been pleased with the Hensley I so recently purchased, I would be citing, chapter and verse, the depths of my disappointment.

Let me tell you about some of my other investments....but perhaps not. That's for another forum.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:25 AM   #16
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Respectfully, I must disagree.

Had I not been pleased with the Hensley I so recently purchased, I would be citing, chapter and verse, the depths of my disappointment.

Let me tell you about some of my other investments....but perhaps not. That's for another forum.

I agree with your respectful disagreement.

You have proven what I might not have stated very clearly.

That is why I stated, "However, I don't believe you will ever hear anything else from anyone who is past the 60 day money back guarantee." (is it proper to quote oneself? )

The question is flawed from the outset. Ask an orange haha owner, who is past the 60 day guarantee, if it is worth it and the answer will always be yes!

And, if one of the less than 1/2% of anyone who has ever purchased the orange haha and returned it "happens" across the question he will likely not answer the question.

The real point I was attempting to make is that only the OP can assign worth or value.

And, expectation divided by price is the formula for worth/value.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:14 PM   #17
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I think Sean has made a good point that those who have gone beyond the 60-day return period are unlikely to say anything other than "It was worth it." For us, another factor is also involved. The cost of our ha-ha hitch receded rapidly into the past, but the pleasures of towing with it stay with us and are reinforced with every trip.
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As a former truck driver I'll lend some perspective to my comments above.

One, my old mantra: If the truck is good, then the other things can be dealt with. That is, if ALL deficiencies have been addressed, then;

Two, the unpredictable. Sudden bad weather. Construction, narrowed lanes and aggressive traffic. Uneven road surfaces (search on trailers being "tripped" as a cause of turnover; on the Web), high crowned roads, etc. Worse, driver health. One can be prey to any number of non-emergency problems which affect driving alertness, driving-ability-AT-THAT-MOMENT. Or, an emotional problem that is nagging (a parent with Alzheimers, etc).

Three, now combine any of these. Here's a scenario:

Early summer, hot, A/C not quite keeping up, construction on an Interstate in Tornado Alley and suddenly the weather is changing. The driver is tired from the heat/humidity, the traffic is being funnelled down to one lane; the TV has less-than-new-but-adequate-tires, the surface of the asphalt overlay is lumpy/wavy and . . . .

You fill in the blanks you as you want. A jerk changing lanes, some dunnage falls off a big truck, winds of 60 mph are hitting, the asphalt is now wet/slippery, etc.

A hitch that counters sway is at the point that it is just NOT enough, (the driver, the road, the traffic, the weather are all deteriorating at the SAME TIME), driver skill and attention are at the utmost.

This is why I wanted a hitch without compromises. For the times that are unpredictable (that other people call "accidents"; no such thing in my book), I want to focus on keeping upright and in my lane until things change or I can exit. That may be hundreds of yards or it may be miles. There may not be an easy out.

I've seen the results. I also believe that if my parents had this hitch a dozen years ago their near-catastrophic wreck "might" have been avoided. My father simply couldn't change lanes (and into the slight median shoulder) fast enough to avoid a tripping hazard.

Granted that there is much more to getting the rigging of the hitch between TV and TT ideal. An A/S is already ideal, and many TV's can be made to be so if one is willing. Getting the rigging correct takes some time and effort. The "expensive" hitch just makes it easier.

Years ago, once I read about the Hensley there was no doubt in my mind that I would buy, test and decide if it did what it said. The manuevers I put my trailer through SHOULD have turned it over (fast double lane change). The trailer never unlocked and followed me as if it were unable to move out of line. Well, geez, it wasn't able to move. That was 1/2-hour after it was installed and the 60-days was just a formality after that.

Once I've worked my way through the TT/TV rigging (balance, weight-distribution, etc) then, as I see it, the only real threat is one of having the trailer "tripped" beyond the point it can recover. This is why, even though mine is not an independently-suspended A/S it is still a lightweight, aerodynamic low-center-of-gravity trailer. There are some improvements I can make to the TT suspension that are high on my list to perform this year.

The A/S choice is 70% of the way to the safest towing rig (along with the proper TV). The hitch just completes it. The driver is only about 10-12% of the equation given the above AND safe towing speed/distances, IMHO. My aim is to keep the driver proportion to its lowest point as it is the weakest link in the chain.
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That is an EXCELLENT post Rednax! Well done!

As the performance expectations were met the worth/value certainly went UP. The top line of the equation (Expectations divided by Price = Worth/Value) was increasing making the worth and value increase.
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Pat,

I wasn't saying that your investment colors your opinion. I was saying the question asked by the OP doesn't yield a useful answer due to the nature of worth/value.

The fact that orange owners keep the product past the 60 day money back guarantee is proof that they will state it is worth it. I think you would agree that if you didn't, you would have returned it and then posted your disappointment.
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:55 PM   #21
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is the hensley really that much better than conventional friction wd hitches in terms of performance and handling? i am about to retire and spend more time traveling and i want to have the best ride/tow that i can find. is it really worth the $?
I have 45,000 miles on my conventional setup. A Reese Dual cam. Ford F-250 diesel with a 06 classic 31. Works well. 1/4 the cost of the hensley. the difference will buy a few gallons of fuel.
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many thanks to those who replied, i appreciate the thoughts and advice.

ps; yes, i still have the infiniti QX56, and it tows the 30SO like a dream.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:23 PM   #23
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ps; yes, i still have the infiniti QX56, and it tows the 30SO like a dream.
Not trying to slam your truck, but you have a borderline situation...

Dangerous combo - very little margin, if any. Can only be determined by going to the scales with your "typical" load for a trip (gas, cargo, fluids, etc).

Not even the best hitches can compensate for overloading the truck's receiver and/or frame, not to mention other components such as brakes, transmission, etc.

Please check your weights at a public scale.
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...yes, i still have the infiniti QX56, and it tows the 30SO like a dream.
hi ya otter, that's great.

would the haha make it even dreamier?

i doubt it.

why are you even curious IF the current set up is so perfect?

why fix a dream?

as bandit and i have suggested in this thread, and many suggested in your other thread...

the the Q is overmatched in tongue capacity, payload, total towing mass and so on...

at least on paper. but the dealer tells you it ok, and you report the dreamy towing...

using a haha will only make the OVERLOADED issue worse...

250 lbs more payload and the extra stress on drive train, brakes and tires is what the haha offers you.

it works for richL, but his unit weight 1000-1500 + lbs less than your trailer.

keep doing what u are doing and let us know how it goes....dream or nightmare.

it sure seems you don't need it for safe happy towing.

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and I guess anybody who sells something else will always come to say that the Hensley doesn't worth it. But may be the 3P is better because $500 less... I don't really get your point here.

I am sorry but it's a short cut that I can't buy... I am sure stupid enough to have spend $3.000 in an HaHa and just because of that find it perfect. If it was not up to the task, for the price I would be pissed off and I would tell everybody!!!

And may be there is a reason if people keep it beyond the 60 days...

So to be crystal clear :
if you drive your AS 8 week end a year for 100 miles each week end it's not that it doesn't worth it it's just that you don't really need it... and then going further you don't even need a 3/4 ton diesel TV.

if you drive it a lot, far away from your home, or if your AS is your home then it worth it.

and if you try it and feel more comfortable with the HaHa and can afford it even for 50 miles a week end do it.

Going even further is an AS worth it? any SOB, for less money, will offer you a watertight roof with fridge, AC, shower, microwave or oven, range, hot water etc and be good enough to tow and does the job... does that put you away from an AS?
So why spend the extra money : because it offers something more. Like the HaHa.
And that "something more" require more expenses. Like if you want a car that goes 5 miles/hours faster than another one you may need to put 10 thou more on the table.




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This is an interesting question for a couple of reasons. You'll never get an objective answer because the person who buys the orange haha will always tell you it is worth it. How could they tell you anything else? The psychological aspect won't let anyone that just spent over $3,000, on anything, tell you it isn't worth it.

Is it really worth it? Only the persons assigning the worth (i.e.-value) can determine that for themselves.

As many have posted, they each have assigned the worth/value of the orange haha to be higher than their previous hitch worth/value. However, I don't believe you will ever hear anything else from anyone who is past the 60 day money back guarantee.

Others will post that it isn't worth it. They will be the persons who haven't used it and would never part with that kind of money for a "hitch." Again, psychologically, they can't bring themselves to post anything else.

The real worth/value can only be measured by you.

Start with your performance expectations.

For example, NO sway when a truck passes, the wind blows or you make an evasive maneuver to miss something in the road.

Once you know that the hitch will allow that performance you can bring the price into the equation.

An expected performance (again, only you can determine this) divided by the price will give the worth/value of the hitch.

Holding performance constant, or equal, while dividing by a lower price will give you a HIGHER worth/value.

That's my take. If I've heard this question asked once, I've heard it asked 1,000 times.
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many thanks to those who replied, i appreciate the thoughts and advice.

ps; yes, i still have the infiniti QX56, and it tows the 30SO like a dream.
never drove this combo... opinion based on published numbers...

on paper, Q looks outmatched...
good- curb weight, wheelbase
bad- R20 wheels, 8900lb tow capacity, 1200lb tongue weight receiver, 28G tank

stay on top of the regular maintenance, and you should have at least 40k-50k miles of trouble-free life in that Q

i would submit that exceeding tongue weight is far more critical than exceeding 'tow capacity'
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Whenever this discussion arises, why do I always log off with the impression that after all is said & done Sean's responses are tinged with the fact that he is selling a competing hitch?

In my towing experience, Dufferin has made the complete analysis & fair comparisons. But one factor I don't see mentioned is the safety of my loved ones in the TV with me. I take issue with the comment that a Hensley owner would be too embarrassed to admit he/she had overspent for an over hyped hitch. Personally, I value my loved ones far more than some ego problem. The Hensley does exactly what it says it will do. The rest is up to me.
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Whenever this discussion arises, why do I always log off with the impression that after all is said & done Sean's responses are tinged with the fact that he is selling a competing hitch?

In my towing experience, Dufferin has made the complete analysis & fair comparisons. But one factor I don't see mentioned is the safety of my loved ones in the TV with me. I take issue with the comment that a Hensley owner would be too embarrassed to admit he/she had overspent for an over hyped hitch. Personally, I value my loved ones far more than some ego problem. The Hensley does exactly what it says it will do. The rest is up to me.
You get that feeling because Sean's comments are tinged with the fact that he is selling a competing hitch, when I purchased my Hensley had Sean been selling his hitch I would of sure looked at it real close in comparison to the Hensley. Competition if great.

About the only thing I haven't over paid for is the Hensley, I purchased a recondition unit and Hensley sent a newer one than the one I original thought I was getting.

I started to write a list of things I have overpaid for but I have other things to do today, I have to go work on a car I overpaid for. I tend to solve problems by throwing money at them my time is worth more than my money. I get a lot more done that way and make a lot of other people happy.
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