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Old 03-20-2012, 09:58 AM   #57
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what I've noticed is that the 5/8 inch set screws, which secure the L-brackets, frequently loosen up.
On mine, one always loosens up and the other doesn't. Whether I tighten the loose one with a wrench or my fingers it stays tight for the same amount of time and then loosens. Since this borders on the supernatural, I live with it and don't want to mess with forces I don't understand.

Friday, thanks for trying to explain it. I can't get past how I can see the bars levering weight distribution, but chains are beyond me. Probably I have to think about it more, but am too lazy to do so. I can see how the chains are tightened on one side and loosened on the other when there's a turn. It looks like there's a spring inside the red thing. That provides sway control. I got the impression the Andersen needs adjustments each time it is put on, but maybe I misread.

I'm not sure why the Canadian gov't has a policy to keep your dollar expensive—seems to hurt exports and makes it less likely Americans will visit. And you still pay extra for things from the US—sort of like foreign aid to the US. Ten years ago the Canadian dollar was about 2/3 the US dollar and traveling in Canada was a bargain, but for you, coming to the US must have been very, very expensive. Several years ago I read cross border traffic was way down, possibly because it is so much more difficult to do (difficult to come to the US, not the other way). I hope you can get Andersen to realize the Canadian dollar is now worth $1.01 US.

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remember; righty tighty? there are right hand threads on both sides, so on one side the set-screws will tend to tighten and on the opposite loosen. this is how it was explained to me.
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Yes, now that you mention it, I think it is just one side that loosens up. I see that the new ones utilize 2 bolts to secure each L-bracket, so maybe that problem has been solved.
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On mine, one always loosens up and the other doesn't. Whether I tighten the loose one with a wrench or my fingers it stays tight for the same amount of time and then loosens. Since this borders on the supernatural, I live with it and don't want to mess with forces I don't understand.

Friday, thanks for trying to explain it. I can't get past how I can see the bars levering weight distribution, but chains are beyond me. Probably I have to think about it more, but am too lazy to do so. I can see how the chains are tightened on one side and loosened on the other when there's a turn. It looks like there's a spring inside the red thing. That provides sway control. I got the impression the Andersen needs adjustments each time it is put on, but maybe I misread.


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Have you tried Locktite on the screw that keeps loosening? I would try some BLUE Locktite on it tightened with a wrench.

About the Andersen chains.....don't think about pulling up on bars, but try to visualize what the torgue applied to the hitch head when the bars are pulled up from the ends. The hitch head is pushed foward at the top, and pulled back at the bottom.

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Old 03-20-2012, 12:41 PM   #61
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Steve,

I kind of get it about the chains, but I suppose, just like in college physics, I can't get into it (why I became a liberal arts major). If it works, good enough for me. So I need people to buy it and test it. In the meantime I will use what I know and not spend more money. I guess mostly everyone will do the same. Maybe someone can pick up one in Washington state for Friday at US prices and bring it to her.

I just keep checking the screw. Locktite is a good idea if I can remember that in May when it is time to summerize.

I certainly don't understand how one screw can loosen because it is on one side—coriolus effect*? My driver's side one is the one that loosens. Another advanced physics mystery.

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*I actually know it can't be the coriolus effect and that it really has to do with the Bermuda triangle and the progression of the magnetic pole across northern Canada pulling at the bolt only on one side.
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On mine, one always loosens up and the other doesn't. Whether I tighten the loose one with a wrench or my fingers it stays tight for the same amount of time and then loosens. Since this borders on the supernatural, I live with it and don't want to mess with forces I don't understand.

Friday, thanks for trying to explain it. I can't get past how I can see the bars levering weight distribution, but chains are beyond me. Probably I have to think about it more, but am too lazy to do so. I can see how the chains are tightened on one side and loosened on the other when there's a turn. It looks like there's a spring inside the red thing. That provides sway control. I got the impression the Andersen needs adjustments each time it is put on, but maybe I misread.

I'm not sure why the Canadian gov't has a policy to keep your dollar expensive—seems to hurt exports and makes it less likely Americans will visit. And you still pay extra for things from the US—sort of like foreign aid to the US. Ten years ago the Canadian dollar was about 2/3 the US dollar and traveling in Canada was a bargain, but for you, coming to the US must have been very, very expensive. Several years ago I read cross border traffic was way down, possibly because it is so much more difficult to do (difficult to come to the US, not the other way). I hope you can get Andersen to realize the Canadian dollar is now worth $1.01 US.

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The Canadian dollar is market-based, and with the current boom in oil and other resources, our dollar is high. Way back before Wal-mart came to Canada, we'd often make shopping trips to the USA and even with our low dollar we'd save money. Now... with online shopping and all the big boxes up here as well, it's hard to find a deal in the 'States. Used cars, RV's, and stuff can sometimes be cheaper, and in better shape, going to the southern states.

Back to the Andersen... the chains are the weight-distribution part only... they don't change tension when they turn... the entire assembly actually pivots around the ball axis, so you don't even have to grease the coupler. The sway control is provided by the friction material that surrounds the tapered ball.

They demonstrate the way to unhook it without too much nut-turning is to lift the trailer up to reduce the tension on the chains, then there is a pin on the bottom of the ball assembly to drop the hitch off. This isn't any different than my EQ, where you lift the trailer 'too high', pop the bars on, and as you lower it you get your tension. Same idea.

The theory behind it is sound... just need to see if it works...
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Friday,

As you say, we always have to raise the jack to release the bars on the Equalizer and sometimes, on uneven ground, we have to use the tool they supply to lever it on or off. It is easier to lever it on than off, but it gets done. Sometimes it requires a lot of strength to do and I don't know if my wife could do it alone. The Andersen sounds like it has advantages in weight (the Equalizer head is very, very heavy) and adjustments that would help the less muscular. I thought the red things the chain is attached to had some sort of spring inside.

I thought the Harper government tried to cheapen the dollar last year, but the price of oil is countering that. It is almost impossible to get news of Canada here, so I can't really keep up. If Canada disappeared one day, I don't suppose we'd learn of it here for months until Alaska crashed into Washington and Oregon.
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What it all boils down too....you just have to be a little smarter than your hitch.

I'm simple and so's my hitch.

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*I actually know it can't be the coriolus effect and that it really has to do with the Bermuda triangle and the progression of the magnetic pole across northern Canada pulling at the bolt only on one side.
Gene,

Unfortunately, you've missed an important aspect of physics that can have a dramatic impact depending on which direction you are traveling. The gravitational pull of the moon (depending on where the Moon is in it's orbit of Earth) will increase the rate at which the bolt will loosen.

You may also notice that in the Southern Hemisphere, this rotational effect that you're experiencing is actually reversed.
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What it all boils down too....you just have to be a little smarter than your hitch.

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Robert, this is not true in my case. My wife has to be smarter than the hitch... She does all of the grunt work.
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Thanks,,, just learned something..

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Here is a Reese :

Ok,, now I understand that I have a Reese style hitch.. I just felt they were all the same but now I see the difference..

Will file this in my obsolete processor and see if I can remember it.

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remember; righty tighty? there are right hand threads on both sides, so on one side the set-screws will tend to tighten and on the opposite loosen. this is how it was explained to me.
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Gene,

Have you tried Locktite on the screw that keeps loosening? I would try some BLUE Locktite on it tightened with a wrench.

About the Andersen chains.....don't think about pulling up on bars, but try to visualize what the torgue applied to the hitch head when the bars are pulled up from the ends. The hitch head is pushed foward at the top, and pulled back at the bottom.

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Hi, once again, I have stopped the square headed set screws from coming loose on my "L" brackets. Instead of using a little 5/8" open end wrench, which has very little leverage and not a very secure grip either; I use a long 1/2" breaker bar with a 3/4" 12 point socket, and crank them down. Little by little, the set screws have cut threads into my "L" brackets. And now they never come loose.
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I have the older hitch too, as pictured in the previous post; my link plates don't seem to slip, but what I've noticed is that the 5/8 inch set screws, which secure the L-brackets, frequently loosen up, which is pretty damn disconcerting.....maybe it's time for a new hitch.....I see that they've imprqoved that design since I bought this one 5 years ago.waqswwzwswszasaAwsswaaawwsdwzaswswdsaswxwwwwaw aaaaaswawsawaewqqaeawaww
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