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Old 08-24-2016, 12:39 PM   #15
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I've got a 2015 International 25FB and tow with a 2015 F150 MaxTow package and the 3.5 EcoBoost. The truck is loaded with options and I fill the bed pretty full so it's on the heavy side. I use a Blue OOx hitch with 1,000 lb bars and I just had the whole thing weighed. The total tongue weight was under 900 lbs. and the front axle was within 80 lbs of weight without trailer. Believe it or not, I have 23,000 miles on it is 18 months. There is now sway at all and everything feels rock steady. I started with 750 lb bars but quickly went to the 1,000 lb bars.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:48 PM   #16
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Pay the minor difference and get the 1400# bars. Why? You will at some point go over on weights that you'll carry occasionally. I use an Equalizer WD with two friction sway bars. Adjusted correctly, you'll never know that you're towing - except when you look at your rear view mirrors!!
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:37 PM   #17
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I have a 2012 25 twin. Have the Sway Pro with #1.000 bars. In the past I had a Bambi for 17 years and went through 3 different hitches as I changed tow vehicles.
The Blue Ox is by far the best hitch set up I have had! Best part is not having to remove the friction sway bar every time you back up.
Good luck. You will love the 25!
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:45 PM   #18
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Thank you for the replies PKI and NorthernGirl!

NorthernGirl, what trailer do you tow? I need to get a measurement on my truck height as it sits, but I don't really trust anything being level around here. I figure there have to be at least a few folks with my same truck and trailer combo. Good luck on your new F150! We upgraded from a pilot with the thought of getting a larger trailer. I'm excited to see how it does.

PKI, Glad to hear your positive experience with the Blue Ox! I may just go with the 9 hole to be safe. It maybe should bother me more when my hitch drags, but I figure if something's going to drag, let it be the hitch. I think your reasoning on the tension adjustment makes sense, but I will give them a call and see what they have to say.

Thanks again, and if someone else has any input I would love to hear it!
The best way is to experiment. No two combination ever the same. Your TV may settle a bit more under the tongue weight and the load in the tv. Start with the closest setting, set up the BO and measure the trailer. I usually find a level parking lot within a few miles. Pulling it a short distance b4 measuring will also allow the suspension to settle and you will get a more accurate measurement of the trailer being level or not.
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:54 PM   #19
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Similar set up to mine except I have a Ram 1500. I sold a lighter trailer when we moved up to the 25FB and already had 750 bars. So far the lighter bars work okay, but I plan on ordering the 1000 bars this fall. Current tongue weight is less than 900 based on a trip over the scales.
I think the 1/2 ton trucks match up with the 25FB very well so you should be ready to roll.
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Old 08-24-2016, 05:20 PM   #20
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Thank you everyone for giving your thoughts and feedback!

I measured my receiver height at a couple different, flat(ish) spots today and the bottom of my receiver is right about 18" off the ground. That puts the centerline at 19" which is right in line with HD Pilot's measurements. Again, I do have Max Tow, but not the off road package. Having loaded measurable loads in the bed, I'm pretty confident the truck will squat enough to make up that difference. If not, I will eat my words and purchase the 9 hole.

Urbanologist, is there any drawback to over rating your bars? My worry is the beating the trailer takes would be worse with those bars. I was contemplating going with the 1500#, but it doesn't sound like anyone with the 1,000# wishes they had the 1,500#. We are mostly using the trailer for 1 long weekend a month and a couple longer trips a year. Although my lovely wife does tend to pack on the heavy side...

Thanks again for your help, this is a great forum. I've only posted a couple times, but have been lurking for a couple years. It feels a little strange to stand up after hiding in the bushes so long!
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:39 PM   #21
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Matt have you spoken to BO about your requirements? They have a very knowledgeable and helpful customer service department.
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Old 08-25-2016, 05:04 AM   #22
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Get a Diesel

I had a scary situation this summer going down a mountain pass in NM. Yes, I was going a bit fast, but not over the speed limit. I didn't see a sign for the downhill and/or grade warning. The descent caught me off guard and before I knew it I was going over the speed limit downhill. Trailer and truck started to sway. I had to tap hit the brake controller manually to stop the sway and had a tough time getting the truck under control. It scared the bejeebus out of me. Fortunately their was no traffic and wide shoulders. Upon my return to MD I traded in my Tundra and bought an F250 w/ Powerstroke Diesel. Some say overkill, but it tows like a dream now and the diesel braking downhill buys me some piece of mind. Expensive yes, but I think it will be worth it in the long haul for that piece of mind. Don't get me wrong the Tundra would pull like crazy on flat land, but the mountains are a totally different story. Now, all of that was with my 30 footer, not your 25'.
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Old 08-25-2016, 05:11 AM   #23
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Old 08-25-2016, 11:37 AM   #24
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Congrats on your new trailer!
I have the BOSP as well and am pleased as punch with it. I use it to pull a Pendleton with over 900# tw. With a F250. I set up the hitch using the recommendations of BO (definitely call them) and followed their instructions for set up with 1500# bars. I mounted the ball and set the height at home and then mounted the rotary locks at the dealership in about 20 minutes. I started out with the recommended number of links free (5) but pulled over and added another link once I hit the expressway. I later on added another link and can't believe how much it tamed the handling and steering.
I will recommend that you get a 1" socket (6-pt, deep well) and breaker bar with an extension (1/2" - 3/4" drive) to keep your fingers away from the propane tank cover while locking and releasing the rotary locks. I had to grind and file on the locks because the casting hex nuts didn't fit completely into the socket. I am religious about lubing the hitch and also found that I needed to lube the area between the mounting plate on the trailer and the rotary portion of the lock with white grease to facilitate locking up and releasing.
After reading this forum, I am prepared to upgrade the tongue jack to a 4000# jack in the near future as lifting the trailer tongue and truck rear end does strain the OEM jack.
Hope you enjoy your new TT and hitch as much as we do!
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:45 AM   #25
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Quick update on my BO experience while on my trip to Colorado. I started out engaging the 7th link from the free end of the chain and experienced sway several times at higher speeds 65 - 70 mph. Decided to call BO and soon was talking to Marty at BO. I sent him pics of set up and discussed the issue of my hitch ball being 2 1/2" higher than the top of the AS receiver. He advised me to go up to the 8th link and on an email later said that even going to the 9th or 10th link may help.

On my 2nd day of traveling I went to the 8th link and now I am using the 9th link, although I have not gone very fast with the 9th link yet. The sway with the 8th link was reduced and also the occasional porpoising was reduced too. Maybe with the 9th link it will get even better.

Marty has been a great help and is shipping me the 9 hole receiver with a return label for my 7 hole receiver. He feels like it is important to get my ball height down to the 0 - 1" above the AS hitch receiver height. So when I get home the new 9 hole receiver should already be there.

I think the BO is going to be great as soon as get everything set up perfectly and working with Marty has been a pleasure.
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How as it at 60 MPH? That is my normal towing speed and have experienced no sway.
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Old 09-01-2016, 08:54 PM   #27
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How as it at 60 MPH? That is my normal towing speed and have experienced no sway.
No, 65ish and below - no sway. We tend to stay around 65 but when passing and going downhill, etc we find ourselves over 65 and that is when the sway would start...sometimes not always, usually associated with wind or maybe during a turn in the road.
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