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06-09-2015, 06:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' International
2014 25' International
2006 23' Safari SE
Boulder City
, Nevada
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,703
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Equalizer Hitch on Tundra and 25 foot Airstream- Level or Not?
I have an Equalizer Hitch set up from the Airstream dealer in the Denver, CO area. I have the spring bars that go with the 25 foot.
The bottom of my Tundra's factory hitch is 15 inches from the ground, empty.
With the bed of the Crew Max bed loaded, clearance is 14" from the ground.
Attaching the 25 foot Airstream my clearance is 12".
I think that should be riding the back of the Tundra hitch at 14" to be level, if not 15 inches.
The Equalizer's two large nuts & bolts that raise the ball up or down is at the top two. There is room to raise it, as there is one hole exposed at the bottom of that shaft extending downward.
Am I on track, or is this within reason? Since the dealer set the system up I would expect them to be... competent. But after reading a Thread about this dealer that I purchased this trailer I have begun to second guess the original set up.
Any advice would be appreciated. Sometimes better to understand than remain ignorant for not asking.
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06-09-2015, 06:29 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2016 26' Flying Cloud
London
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 280
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I have a Tundra and Equalizer.....currently on a Bigfoot....looking for a 25'AS. I've adjusted the Equalizer a few times. I always start with the trailer level, front to back and truck bed empty. Measure to top of trailer coupler height ....measure to top of hitch ball.....should be close to same measurement. Adjust ball up or down as needed. Then move on to number of washers, side bracket height, etc. Reading here will help Installation Instructions & Parts Breakdown They used to have instructional videos on there site, but I can't open them now. Make a chart with all your measurements on it.....makes it easier to see where things are moving. It gets easier after you've done the adjustments a couple times.
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06-11-2015, 03:13 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
Missouri Valley
, Iowa
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 512
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Ray,
LilBigfoot has it right. You want everything level. The trailer, truck, and WD bars. It may take a time or two to get it set for your truck but its fairly easy once you get the concept in mind. I use the sway bracket jackets on both the 600# and 1,000# hitches I have. It makes things quieter!
Dan
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06-11-2015, 03:21 PM
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Rivet Master
1999 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Hillsboro
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,406
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Ray, the "goal" is that even when loaded, the "level" of the TV remains. Sounds to me like the TV is squatting a LOT before the AS even touches the hitch!!! If you "raise" the rear with the WD bars you are putting weight TO the AS!!!! I wouldn't do that!!!!
Check, what are measurements on TV, at front fender and rear fender, to the ground, unloaded and then "loaded"... Without the AS?
What is weight of TV front and rear, unloaded and loaded?
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Peace and Blessings..
Channing
WBCCI# 30676
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06-11-2015, 03:46 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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The TT needs to be level. No deviations from that.
Slight squat of the rear of the TV is considered normal by present standards once WD tensioned.
Measure wheel well height before and after hitching plus adjusting WD. This is a rough-in set up. One needs to use a certified three-pad weigh scale to dial it in.
I'd prefer to see 100% FALR on a scale. Where the TV front axle has the same weight value solo or hitched and tensioned. This is a good default setup.
Can Am prefers level squat of the TV (the way we all used to do it), where the front and rear fender well measurements drop equally.
A good article on that is Andrew Thomsons Hitch Hint column in last Novembers 2015 RV Buyers Guide of RV Lifestyle online magazine. An effective rebuttal to current practice. Read this carefully.
Gold standard is to then weigh each wheel of the rig separately. Set TV tire pressures per worst cross axle load, and try to get TT tire loads equal all around (shifting gear, but don't expect a truly close number set).
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06-12-2015, 10:40 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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The goal is a level rig. I could not accomplish that with my Tundra CrewMax and Classic 30. My trailer is a little nose down. It drives fine. Nose up is bad. It will wobble and sway. The only way I can see to get my rig level is to have a custom drop shank with the series of adjustment holes 1/2" from where they are now.
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2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
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06-12-2015, 02:25 PM
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Happy Wonderer
1997 25' Safari
Box Elder
, South Dakota
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 66
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I installed these: SuperSprings Self-Adjusting Suspension Stabilizers
on the 2000 Tundra TV we use to drag our 25' AS. Our 2000 Tundra has somewhat lower carrying/towing capacity than the newer models. We keep the bed loaded between 300-450 lbs continuously as we are full timers and carry everything we think we need. About 300 lbs when not towing and just out exploring etc. and 400 - 450 lbs when towing because the gear that we set outside is in there now.
Made a big difference and installation was pretty simple.
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06-12-2015, 04:13 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Brooksville
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 22
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I love the RAM 1500 with air ride suspension. Once I adjust my equalizer hitch the truck keeps the load level automatically. Handling is superb due to the air ride suspension. Air ride has been used very successfully for years on semi’s.
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06-12-2015, 04:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
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06-12-2015, 06:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 23' FB International
Woodstock
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,423
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On my first AS the dealer (Andy at CAN AM) told me my TV ball height should be 19". Once I got that fixed everything fell neatly onto place for our '89. So as suggested above, measure the hitch height to the inside of the coupler with your AS level. Set the ball height to that dimension with the truck in either level or (if rear is high normally) in loaded state. Wheel well dimensions are the fastest way to check level, but eying it works fine. If you run with too much up or down attitude on the trailer the suspension transfers extra weight to the low end axles...not good for the suspension/running gear and if excessive, as noted above you are unstable.
Nothing looks as good as a level rig! Nice job m.hony
JCW
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06-13-2015, 06:59 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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Uh-oh!
I left my plate number visible...
Some people cover their plate numbers...
What can y'all do with a plate number? Maybe find out who owns the vehicle?
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
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06-22-2015, 11:56 AM
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Rivet Master
2008 25' Classic
Full Time
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2012
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I have my trailer riding pretty level. I use 5 washers and the distance from the ground to the fenders is about 37" all around. However the front distance could be a little less according to Equalizer instructions stating the it should be halfway back to the non loaded distance. 37" is about halfway back. I think the Tundra would handle better if I could put more load on the front axle after driving some curvy roads through Colorado last week.
Kelvin
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2015 Ram 2500 6.7L Cummins. Crew Cab, 4x4, Silver
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06-23-2015, 08:26 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 23' FB International
Woodstock
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,423
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Re " I think the Tundra would handle better if I could put more load on the front axle after driving some curvy roads through Colorado last week."
When we first pulled a 23 ft AWARD with our 1500 Jimmy I always knew when the trailer was incorrectly loaded on the hitch. The Jimmy was light and antsy in the front end and steering was touchy. I would stop and drop a link on the equalizers and everything would become normal. At some point I did in fact adjust the height of the ball to get everything level again.
So if you feel light or heavy on the front steering then you would probably need to adjust the equalizer take up, and maybe make some adjustments to ball height to keep the TV level
JCW
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06-23-2015, 11:19 AM
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Rivet Master
2008 25' Classic
Full Time
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,309
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I've thought about adding a 6th washer to increase the head angle down vs raising the L brackets. But in either case it would make hitching the trailer harder. Depending on the campsite I've had to run the power jack up so high I was afraid the jack couldn't take the weight of the trailer and truck weight. Its only the 3000lb Barker.
The site I had at North Rim GC campground (#25) a couple of weeks ago was a curved drive through with both the entrance and exits on an incline. I couldn't disengage the bars due to the tow vehicle at an angle to the trailer and the incline the tow vehicle was on. I ended up driving the trailer out of the campsite to level ground, removing the bars, then driving the trailer around the loop and entering the campsite again to unhitch. I couldn't level the trailer with the tow vehicle connected at the campsite. When we left I had to pull the trailer out to level ground and connect the bars. Of course when I did that 3 cars decided to leave also and I held them up while I hitched up the bars.
After a couple of years use with the Equalizer I'm not so satisfied with it anymore.
Kelvin
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2015 Ram 2500 6.7L Cummins. Crew Cab, 4x4, Silver
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06-23-2015, 01:18 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
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Try adding the 6th washer. I did and I am very pleased with the results.
Everyone, including the folks at Equal-i-zer say you shouldn't have to, but I could never transfer enough to the front axle or trailer axles before.
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2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
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06-23-2015, 01:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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After a couple of years with the Equal-i-zer and finally getting it dialed in, I like it and have abandoned the desire for a Pro-Pride- at least until I have $2,300- the car will be paid off in February, 2020- the house will be paid off in May, 2027- the Airstream will be paid off in October, 2032-
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
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06-24-2015, 07:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 23' FB International
Woodstock
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2014
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"When we left I had to pull the trailer out to level ground and connect the bars. Of course when I did that 3 cars decided to leave also and I held them up while I hitched up the bars."
Of course! That's the first rule of campsites....someone will always come by at the worst possible moment! It's like when I had a sailboat ..there were always spectators when you missed a landing at the dock!!!
You are actually lucky you can tow without the equalizers. My truck and probably all those using smaller/lighter tow vehicles would drag its butt.
We have a Hensley...came with the trailer. I would never spend the money on one. I have had absolutely no issues with a standard equalizer on 4 different rigs, but I'm sure if the time comes, I will be happy the Hensley is back there. The more you tow, and probably the faster you drive, the greater the risk of needing the stability of the Pro-Pride or Hensley.
I would not have been able to hook up or un-hook the Hensley under the conditions you encountered. When we get a seriously out of level campsite for the night I stay hooked up and use the jack to pry everything into level front to back.
JCW
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06-24-2015, 12:59 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 12,111
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I'll likely never drive fast enough to see the benefits of a ProPride, Hensley, or 16" wheels and Michelin Tires.
I can probably stick with the Equal-i-zer and 15" wheels if I never exceed 65 mph.
I will, however, replace the Goodyear Marathons at some point.
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2013 Classic 30 Limited
2007 Silver Toyota Tundra Crew Max Limited 5.7 iForce
2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
1999 Black Nissan Pathfinder LE
TAC #MS-10
WBCCI #1811, Region 6, Unit 56
Airforums #70955
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