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Old 03-17-2009, 12:18 AM   #29
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I guess this means you are saying, in your professional opinion, that Equal-i-zer brand hitches are unsafe?

I'm not even sure the Equal-i-zer brand, as the product exist today, was available in the 1960's.
I never said, nor printed, that an Equalizer was unsafe.

I did say, that their square bar, with alleged sway control, comes from the imagination of their sales department, and indeed is not a proven fact.

That model hitch dates back some 40 years or more.

All to many loss of control accidents involved Equalizer hitches.

Same was true for Eaz-lift, with and without using their friction sway control.

Torsion type sway controls, is the only type load equalizing hitch, that has a true sway control, since it has a brain.

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Old 03-17-2009, 01:13 AM   #30
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I never said, nor printed, that an Equalizer was unsafe.


All too many loss of control accidents involved Equalizer hitches.


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Hi, then what does this mean?

Or did you mean it like this:

I never said, nor printed, that Equal-i-zer brand was unsafe.

All too many loss of control accidents involved equalizing type hitches.
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Hi, then what does this mean?
Lack of a good sway control, can lead to a loss of control accident.

The square bar Equalizer, does not have a sway control.

A true sway, casnnot usually be felt from a drivers seat.

BUT, a sway can be felt when riding in the rear of the trailer at 60 mph.

Another test, even at a lower speed, is to quickly change lanes, as you would to avoid a large obstacle on the road.

Then see how you regain control.

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Old 03-17-2009, 02:30 AM   #32
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Hi, then what does this mean?

Or did you mean it like this:

I never said, nor printed, that Equal-i-zer brand was unsafe.

All too many loss of control accidents involved equalizing type hitches.
Sorry, but I did not misspell "Equalizer."

Nor did I intend to use the word "equalizing" in my sentence.

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Old 03-17-2009, 09:19 AM   #33
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If the Equalizer does not prevent sway, and I have an Equalizer, and I cannot see any sway, nor feel any sway, what is preventing sway?

Seems like either:

1. I can't see it or feel it, but it's happening, or

2. Some unknown (to me) force is preventing sway—magic, great truck, special trailer, or something else I can't imagine (this seems very unlikely), or

3. Equalizer.

And, a number of others using this brand have posted that they have no sway. Are all of us unable to detect sway?

This is very confusing.

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Old 03-17-2009, 11:29 AM   #34
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My telling what to me is an interesting story at this point in the thread might be appropriate.

Recently at a very large rally, I was talking to a gentleman who I know has lots of experience towing Airstreams about his Hensley hitch, and I asked him things like, how he liked it, and if he could tell me the point of pivot projection? After answering my specific questions, he then went into almost a rant about how he would never own anything but a Hensley, and that every other hitch made simply offered resistance to sway, and could not possibly eliminate sway. Intersting, I thought, as I know the Reese dual cam is at least one hitch that works on more than just resistance, not to mention the ProPride, and the other one that uses a track under the TV(can't remember the name of that one).

Then, later in the day, I was talking with a friend that I know has been towing Airstreams for over 40 years, and he told me he would NEVER spend the money for a Hensley. I asked him why not. His response was, "Any weight distribution hitch on the market will eliminate sway IF IT IS SET UP PROPERLY". He contined, "If you have a weight distributing hitch, tow an Airstream, and you have sway, your hitch is not set up properly".

Personally, I think both of my friends may be right, mostly.
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:46 PM   #35
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OK; Guys; Which is better, Hensley arrow, Reese dual cam, Equilizer or.. Chevy, Dodge, Ford or Toyota: Strawberry, Chocolate or Vanilla?
Was the tires inflated properly, was there fluid in the holding tanks, are the shocks good etc?????
And while we are at it; Have you stopped hitting your mother?? (yes or no) -- something else to discuss.
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:56 PM   #36
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OK; Guys; Which is better?
Ok, since you asked, Tundra with Equalizer covered in chocolate. I had to stop hitting my mother in 2000 when she died. Tires proper, some fluid, Bilstein shocks.

Now, let's go on to religion, politics and sex and Airstream floorplans.

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Sorry, but I did not misspell "Equalizer."

Nor did I intend to use the word "equalizing" in my sentence.

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From their web site: http://www.equalizerhitch.com/

"Equal-i-zer" is the brand name. I guess you were talking generalities and not brand specific?


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Lack of a good sway control, can lead to a loss of control accident.

The square bar Equalizer, does not have a sway control.

A true sway, casnnot usually be felt from a drivers seat.

BUT, a sway can be felt when riding in the rear of the trailer at 60 mph.

Another test, even at a lower speed, is to quickly change lanes, as you would to avoid a large obstacle on the road.

Then see how you regain control.

Andy

Also from their site:
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"It has been specially designed to tackle the three biggest problems found with conventional trailer hitches: trailer sway, weight distribution, and complicated hook-ups. "
I guess you mean that they are quilty of false advertisement on their site and your experience from 40 years ago can back that up?

When you make absolute statements, you open yourself up to refutation.



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Another test, even at a lower speed, is to quickly change lanes, as you would to avoid a large obstacle on the road.
Been there, done that. Tracked beautifully, no sway.
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Let me put an end to all this argument, I mean, discussion, by just saying ...

sorry I actually have no idea what to say to end this argument, I mean, discussion.

Instead I'll just say what I think and keep things going b/c we're all just here to have fun anyway, right?

Since don't have or claim to be aware of decades of research or data or anything else other than a little of my own experience and a miniscule amount of common sense and a lot of cynicism, I'll start with "IMHO" ...

(1) the tow vehicle's ability to handle the trailer you're pulling dictates what degree of weight distribution is required to properly distribute the weight being towed. If you're pulling a little red wagon with a locomotive, presumably no WD system is needed at all, although there are any number of WD hitch manufacturers and salesmen who would love to sell you one anyway and every one of them sells the best one.

(2) Separate from the issue of weight distribution is the issue of sway, and a properly loaded and balanced trailer (i.e. slightly front heavy) with properly inflated tires simply should not sway. So, presumably, in most cases no significant degree of sway control is needed, although there are any number of sway control manufacturers and salesmen who would love to sell you their sway control system anyway and every one of them sells the best one.

3) If you tow with an appropriate vehicle, and you tow a balanced and well maintained trailer, minimal WD and minimal sway control are needed and, giving the anti-Equalizer crowd the benefit of the doubt and assuming the EQ only provides a minimal benefit, then the EQ should still be completely adequate and a good value for the price.

4) Having never used them I have no opinion on other brands, they may be better, they may do more, I don't know. I do know that generally they cost more, the Hensley a lot more, and I wonder how out of kilter your tow vehicle and/or trailer need to be before you have a big enough problem to even notice the difference? And if you can notice a difference, aren't there bigger issues you need to address in your towing habits?

There, that should keep things going for another 50 or so posts, right?

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There, that should keep things going for another 50 or so posts, right?

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Right. and of course and .
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(2) Separate from the issue of weight distribution is the issue of sway, and a properly loaded and balanced trailer (i.e. slightly front heavy) with properly inflated tires simply should not sway. So, presumably, in most cases no significant degree of sway control is needed, although there are any number of sway control manufacturers and salesmen who would love to sell you their sway control system anyway and every one of them sells the best one.

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Brad.

All travel trailers have a "sway" regardless of manufacturer.

Little to no tongue weight creates a sway, that basically cannot be eliminated.

A proper tongue weight creates a sway, that can be eliminated, depending on the components used and how they are adjusted.

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Brad.

All travel trailers have a "sway" regardless of manufacturer.

Little to no tongue weight creates a sway, that basically cannot be eliminated.

A proper tongue weight creates a sway, that can be eliminated, depending on the components used and how they are adjusted.

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No sway, man!

That's what we all want. Lots of tongue swaying going on here and I am getting confused.

Sounds like if you can afford the Hensley it is the best. Why one would go to that extent with a super duty truck and a 22' trailer sounds a bit much, but if you must.
The Equil-i-zer (brand) is a weight distribution device with a sway design built into the system. from what I read on the EQ web site it seems to be the right choice for someone on a budget coming in at about $450.00. The orange one would be six times as much.
The other brands seem to have adjustment issues with the round bars and chains, but I suppose it is what you get used to. Not saying they bad!

My question was overlooked before about way a super duty truck would need the wt. dist. factor ??? With all the concern some have about stiff trucks beating up our tender Aluminum trailers and all. I got a safety lecture instead. That's OK, I am often misunderstood.

I have tryed to buy a WT/Dist/ sway product several times and salesmen keep talking me out of it. Once again, their concern was it would lighten the rear of the truck enough to negatively effect handling. I suppose I won't know until I try it.
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So after reading all this, now I'm wondering. Does using grease to reduce the noise also reduce the sway control? Maybe for a 23' with a F150 there would be no real sway and the weight distribution is 90% of the value?
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