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Old 03-06-2008, 07:06 PM   #71
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Hi time (and others)

Thanks for the thoughtful response. These forums are great for building a working knowledge base, and its true that every TV/Trailer combination has slightly different set up requirements to find the sweet spot. A chart might be in order.

I spent a lot of time trying to get those 1000# bars to work. I like to fiddle with things like this, and I was really trying to get the measurements to be within spec on all counts. You're right about the washers--after 6 or so there is a lot more binding with little gain in force, and we went on several trips where I was wondering if I needed a different type of hitch, or air bags, or helper springs. I never noticed that the bars were gradually bending, but did notice that the rig seemed lower over time.

I too called Equal-i-zer and had a conversation that was probably a lot like yours. The tech mentioned that he had heard of cases where the bars had bent, and that people had actually turned them over to straighten them.
Of course the writing on the bars would be upside down. He said that the 1200# bars and the 1400# bars are the same except that the larger bars have an off-center hole for the keeper pin. He said that if you are close to 1000# tongue weight, the larger bars are the way to go.

I have got to say that this setup is so much better in every way for my combination of truck and trailer that I would recommend it for people
contemplating a similar rig. I wish that I had read a thread like this
when I was researching weight distribution issues. The only other way
is to find out from experience--and to own two Equal-i-zers. I have one of them for sale, slightly bent.

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Hi time (and others)

The only other way
is to find out from experience--and to own two Equal-i-zers. I have one of them for sale, slightly bent.

Thanks again
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Terry,

Did you switch to 1200# bars and a 12000# hitch head, or just the bars?

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Old 03-06-2008, 10:03 PM   #73
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Time,

Both. The 1000# bars are 1-3/8" and the 1200# bars are 1-1/2".
Same steel according to Equal-i-zer, just a little bigger, and not interchangeable. I was tempted to use the 1400# head since the bars are the same as the 1200#. But the 1400# costs more, for some reason.

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Terry,

Thanks..uh..try not to bend them this time! I just had to by a new EQ shank, ouch, I guess I am going to lighten my load to keep me under 1000# tongue weight so I can stick with the 1000#/10,000# EQ and keep some money for gas.

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1,000 lbs tongue weight?

Hi, Time and Roller. My first thought is that 1,000 lbs tongue weight is way too much for a 25' Airstream. But at 7,300 lbs GVWR, 10% would be 730 lbs and at 15%, my calculator comes up with 1095 lbs. So in theory 1000 lbs is within normal range, but I think I would want to try to achieve closer to the 10% tongue weight if possible. My Safari is rated at 6,300 lbs so my range should be between 630 lbs and 945 lbs. I wouldn't think that higher tongue weight would actually bend the spring bars, but too much angle between the tow vehicle and trailer could, such as going up a steep driveway. After all, springs are made to bend [flex] and return.
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The 14,000lb / 1400lb tongue weight model costs more than the 12,000lb /1200 lb tongue weight one because the head unit is more massive. It's not a lot more. I probably could have gotten by with the 12,000lb unit just fine, but since the bars were the same, I went ahead and went with the big one.

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I talked to the folks at Equalizer about this. 1000 lb is good for about 500 lb or 550 tongue wt. to 1000 or just under. if your on the border go to the next one up. my 23' 1s 4500 unladen to 6000 gross. with filled propane and other general stuff without and otherwise empty the tongue should be about 550 or so. Full about 650 to 900 max at 15% which I don't do. I think this is about right . Does this sound right?
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Glen,

This is the same set-up that I have, 10K hitch with 1K bars. My set-up report is in this thread, and before I leave for Bozeman this year, I am planning on redoing it again just to make sure everything is still set-up right. I'm also planning on weighing everything to confirm my load distribution is correct also.

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I talked to the folks at Equalizer about this. 1000 lb is good for about 500 lb or 550 tongue wt. to 1000 or just under. if your on the border go to the next one up. my 23' 1s 4500 unladen to 6000 gross. with filled propane and other general stuff without and otherwise empty the tongue should be about 550 or so. Full about 650 to 900 max at 15% which I don't do. I think this is about right . Does this sound right?
Of course, Glen, when have you ever been wrong?

Is that Nancy I see in the background laughing in her quiet way, or is that a snicker?

But really, the 1000# bars and 10,000# hitch should be all you need with your 23'.

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Thanks for the input..... but I was wrong once ...... lets see now ... when was that ...........hmmmmm.........
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Oh great .. here I was feeling real comfortable about my hitch (Equilizer) and confident as to how it's set up. Then, just kind of surfin' the forums this evening, I happen upon hitches then migrated to this thread.

After reading all the posts and directions, tips, measurements, distances, weights, torques, friction, deflections and genuflections and cosmic alignment, I'm convinced I need to take tomorrow off from work ( ) and re-contemplate the whole arrangement before my 'Stream and I part on the road going different directions... Gawd! Education is a scary thing
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Jaxon,

Actually it's not that hard to tune it up, just time consuming. Do it and you will have a sweet towing package.

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I’ve had two different airstreams, two different TV’s, and three different hitches

Reese WD with friction sway control, equal-i-zer, and currently using the Hensley Arrow

That is also in order of performance, from bad to best (my data is anecdotal, no flames please)

Like an earlier poster stated- there’s a lot of variables, the info posted on this forum is very good- but you’ve got to do your own scaling/measuring/testing/driving…

Keep an eye on your trucks receiver… some of what you’re experiencing sounds like my bent GM receiver. I upgraded to a class V (reese tow beast)

My 1200/12000 equal-i-zer couldn’t transfer adequate load to steer axle (2500 suburban/30’ slide. 1200 tongue) Loading for travel only increased tongue, and exacerbated problem.
Instead of upgrading to 1400/14000 equal-i-zer, I decided to go with the 1400/14000 Arrow. Performance is outstanding

Also, the ‘measurement’ technique outlined in equal-i-zer installation manual was not adequate-- for MY rig. According to the measurements, it was OK… but on the scale it was way out of wack.

Ps- I picked up a sherline tongue scale, this is invaluable… especially since my a/s, when sloppily loaded, tipped the tongue scale at 1650lbs on one occasion…

Its possible your 720lb published tongue is substantially more?
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Oh great .. here I was feeling real comfortable about my hitch (Equilizer) and confident as to how it's set up. Then, just kind of surfin' the forums this evening, I happen upon hitches then migrated to this thread.

After reading all the posts and directions, tips, measurements, distances, weights, torques, friction, deflections and genuflections and cosmic alignment, I'm convinced I need to take tomorrow off from work ( ) and re-contemplate the whole arrangement before my 'Stream and I part on the road going different directions... Gawd! Education is a scary thing
This sure sounds like a great excuse to take a day of vacation or most likely a day of sick leave. Of course, if you take as long as I did to set up your EQ, you may want to consider taking off a full week!

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