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Old 11-04-2010, 10:17 AM   #57
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I don’t claim to know everything about this topic, but I have re-built a 1966 22 foot Safari from the frame, up.

I’m the guy that had to deal with all the water damage cause by leaky rivets. It was obvious: the rivet heads had become smaller then the diameter of the rivet holes in the 2024 T3 032 aircraft aluminum skin of the trailer.

I’m also the guy that saw how the frame of the shell had separated from the floor and out-riggers (something no one could know without removing either the outside or inside skin).
GetOutDoors,

I will in no way dispute anything that you say. However, do you suppose that all the damage you found on your trailer while rebuilding it could possibly be normal wear and tear for a possibly heavily used trailer that is 44 years old?

Or, is it absolutely certain the damage was caused by too heavily suspended TV and too much weight distribution?
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:23 AM   #58
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Ok ... this thread is the last straw that has caused me to sound off: the one thing I have learned to dislike about this forum is all the advice given by people who are radical about their opinion, yet really don’t have real life experience to back it up. There’s lots of hear-say here. Please, in the interest of all those who come here looking for sound advice, if you don’t have any substance to add based on real-life first person experience, weight the value of that opinion before you post.

I don’t claim to know everything about this topic, but I have re-built a 1966 22 foot Safari from the frame, up.

I’m the guy that had to deal with all the water damage cause by leaky rivets. It was obvious: the rivet heads had become smaller then the diameter of the rivet holes in the 2024 T3 032 aircraft aluminum skin of the trailer.

I’m also the guy that saw how the frame of the shell had separated from the floor and out-riggers (something no one could know without removing either the outside or inside skin).

So though you may not see the damage, there really is such a thing as too much truck (chasse wise) and too much weight distribution control.

If you care about your investment (Airstream), and don’t want to have to continually chase leaks a few years from now, your job is to cut through manufactures/salesmen’s marketing ploy to determine the best balance in load and sway control between your trailer and the TV.
First of all, there are two threads going on right now on this exact same issue, so it is confusing what has been said where .

However since I just got through explaining my experience on both threads, I am offended by your post.

I think it would not be wise at all for you to take what I state about my 2010 31 Classic trailer and try to apply it to your light trailer that by just about any definition would be classified as an antique. It is only logical to assume that is much more fragile. Aluminum does not stay at its original strength forever. When your trailer was built most people were towing with passenger vehicles, so it only logical to assume it was built to a different standard.

If this post was not directed to everyone posting, I would suggest that you quote at least one of the posts that is offending you.

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Old 11-04-2010, 10:25 AM   #59
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GetOutDoors,

... do you suppose that all the damage you found on your trailer while rebuilding it could possibly be normal wear and tear for a possibly heavily used trailer that is 44 years old?
If the damage was normal wear for a 44 year old trailer, then wouldn't all 44 year old trailers suffer a similar fate? Yet you don't read about this with regard to other 44 year old trailers (39 at the time of the rebuild project).

And why did this only occur to the front of the trailer? It would seem there should be some damage elsewhere, like somewhere close to the axle or to the rear of the trailer....

You have to ask, if it's not related to the TV or load control, what would cause this kind of damage?
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W7ts,

Not trying or desiring to offend.

But I find it a reach, seeing that your trailer is a 2010, that any inspection thereof is a good specimen to determine damage caused by too stiff of tow vehicle chasse.

Beside, my post was not directed at any particular person ....
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:47 AM   #61
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If the damage was normal wear for a 44 year old trailer, then wouldn't all 44 year old trailers suffer a similar fate? And why did this only occur to the front of the trailer? It would seem there should be some damage elsewhere, like somewhere close to the axle or to the rear of the trailer....

Then you have to ask why would this occur - what would cause this?
Are you certain that all 44 year old trailers have seen the amount and type of service yours has?
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:50 AM   #62
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Are you certain that all 44 year old trailers have seen the amount and type of service yours has?
I've seen a lot of vintage and front skin with rivet holes more then twice the diameter of the rivet heads are not normal.

I have the owner log - and know of the owners through a friend, and mine (formerly mine - I've sold it after a complete rebuild) did not have an abnormal amount of use.

If one were to infer that excessive use would cause this kind of damage, then how would one explain how the other 3/4 ths of the trailer survived all that use without damage?
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I've seen a lot of vintage and front skin with rivet holes more then twice the diameter of the rivet heads are not normal.

I have the owner log - and know of the owners through a friend, and mine (formerly mine - I've sold it after a complete rebuild) did not have an abnormal amount of use.

If one were to infer that excessive use would cause this kind of damage, then how would one explain how the other 3/4 ths of the trailer survived all that use without damage?
Wow! Rare information indeed. I've forgotten how many used trailers I've owned, mainly because I've never bought a new one, and never have I had such information.

And then, even with the record of how many owners, who the owners were, and maybe even what tow vehicles they used in the course of 44 years, and then even more remote, the chance that you have the information of what hitch they all used AND what weight hitch bars they all used.... Do you also have the information of what all roads they towed on and the condition of said road at the time they drove down that road up to 44 years ago?

Just saying.......
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.... Do you also have the information of what all roads they towed on and the condition of said road at the time they drove down that road up to 44 years ago?

Just saying.......
I'm very interested in, since you think my analysis is wrong, your explanation why all those miles and rough roads did not negatively impact the rest of structure? Do you have a better explanation?

Then again you didnít get to make that analysis Ė because you didnít see it Ö.

Have you rebuilt an Airstream from a shell off?
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I'm very interested in, since you think my analysis is wrong, your explanation why all those miles and rough roads did not negatively impact the rest of structure? Do you have a better explanation?

Then again you didn’t get to make that analysis – because you didn’t see it ….

Have you rebuilt an Airstream from a shell off?
No, I have not totally rebuilt an Airstream, and no I don't think your analysis is wrong.

I just think you don't really know enough about the life your trailer has led over it's 44 years to accurately analyze what caused the problems, and yes, that is just my opinion. Not saying you are wrong, just that I doubt you really have enough accrate information to make a 100% correct analysis.

As an example....I own a 1938 Chevrolet that has been rebuilt into a streetrod, built from probably one of the best original bodies available today, and I bought the car from the person who did the body and paint work, and he gave me the information on the original owner that he bought the car from with 32,000 original miles, and to this day I still find "surprizes" in the car that I was not aware of.
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How about those Giants... jus sayin...

We should probably move on guys. I have seen this movie and it goes nowhere quick. Everyone is making good points but the dots don't connect. We can have different opinions and still enjoy our airstreams and have a beer together at a rally. It all comes down to personal preference in the end. Its your airstream. Treat it like you stole it or baby it like a family member. Just enjoy it...
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I do know vibration was the cause of the damage. I also know only the front of the trailer was damaged (evenly, across the front and on both front portions of each side).

Clearly if the damage causing vibration was a result of being towed over poor roads, then more then just the front 25 percent would have had vibration damage.

Tow vehicle springs too stiff, transferred to the trailer (in part by weight distribution mechanisms) is the only source of vibration I’m aware of that would cause the damage I found.

Note here, that I have not waged into the debate of what is too much or too little weight distribution controls. My contributions here are simply a warning that there is such as thing as damage to the Airstream caused by excessive vibration.

If someone knows of some other agent, other then the tow vehicle, that would cause that kind of damage, then I would be interested in their ideas, and future readership would be that much better for it.
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How about those Giants... jus sayin...

We should probably move on guys. I have seen this movie and it goes nowhere quick. Everyone is making good points but the dots don't connect. We can have different opinions and still enjoy our airstreams and have a beer together at a rally. It all comes down to personal preference in the end. Its your airstream. Treat it like you stole it or baby it like a family member. Just enjoy it...
Yea, how about those Giants
I'm sending in a request to Myth Busters on weight distribution
Besides this is a a receiver thread
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GetOutDoors,

I will in no way dispute anything that you say. However, do you suppose that all the damage you found on your trailer while rebuilding it could possibly be normal wear and tear for a possibly heavily used trailer that is 44 years old?

Or, is it absolutely certain the damage was caused by too heavily suspended TV and too much weight distribution?
Unbalanced running gear is a possibility but my money is on too heavily suspended TV and too much weight distribution....
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