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Old 11-17-2009, 09:11 PM   #15
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I appreciate everyones input but could really use some guidance on particular brands/models that people have actually used with success! I know, no one can say what will work best for me or which one is the absolute best period.... but all of you out there trailering with a rig like mine can give me some "real guidance." I called REESE and the person on the other end of the phone said that I had to have a weight distribution system to be able to use their "dual cam" system....

I have purchased an AirSafe class 6 hitch with a double tabs for the balls for some sort of sway system but don't know if a weight distribution system will work with it. I'm not worried about cost - I am worried about safety! Again, I want a sway system of some sort but am not sure what will work for my rig and setup. Advice?
All you needed from the beginning, was a Reese dual cam 750 load equalizing hitch.

When pulling an Airstream, a load equalizing hitch is about as mandantory, as a sky diver wearing a proper parachute.

Without it, simply put, you and all your passengers, as well as innocent people, could be severely injured or killed.

How do I know? I investigated over 1000 loss of control accidents, specifically involving only Airstream trailers.

The results of that has previously been posted many times.

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Old 11-17-2009, 09:14 PM   #16
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...I want a sway system of some sort but am not sure what will work for my rig and setup. Advice?
there are 3 or 4 ways to TRY to reduce the potential of sway.

1. friction OUTRIGGERS (those can be added to the airbag hitch) which are the LEAST desirable approach

2. w/d bars that incorporate FRICTION sway reduction (dual cams or '4 point' friction like the equalizer) these can ALSO be added to the airbag hitch.

3. an UNDER frame 5th wheel type hitch (the 'pullrite' design) which will NOT work with the air bag hitch...

4. a projection point/4 bar hitch (pp or haha) and THESE don't work with the airbag hitches.
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really THAT IS IT.

IF you REALLY want ABSOLUTE sway control buy a pp/haha and DITCH the airbag contraption.

IF you want to use the air bag see choices #1 or #2....
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these posts keep asking for BETTER or more specific advice.

there ISN'T any.

u have 4 choices and ONLY 2 work with airbag hitch.

NOW you've got to decided if EITHER of the friction control add ons are ENOUGH sway control 4 you.

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Old 11-17-2009, 09:29 PM   #17
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...Without it, simply put, you and all your passengers, as well as innocent people, could be severely injured or killed.

How do I know? I investigated over 1000 loss of control accidents, specifically involving only Airstream trailers.

The results of that has previously been posted many times.

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in actuality the "results" have never been posted, only YOUR claim of results.

and suggesting that the lack of "load equalizing" will KILL people is irresponsible.

and really not accurate either, since LOAD EQUALIZING does not EQUAL sway control...
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and YOUR so called PROOF is based on THIS questionnaire...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/atta...9&d=1232471897

which after YEARS of claiming to have PROOF of accident causes was FINALLY posted here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...ire-47613.html

no disrespect intended, but...

not only are the questions USELESS

the answers to ANY of them proves NOTHING.

it's a (preliminary) survey type questionnaire, based on OWNER recall of several issues.

so the recall is subject to error, and THOSE survey questions don't lead to PROOFs...

the initial statistical analysis of the answers MIGHT help develop more PRECISE questions with VERIFIABLE answers...

and THAT process might lead to correlations or "suggestions" of issues to explore FURTHER...

but there is NO PROOF of anything in those questions.

and the ANSWERS to those questions have NEVER been posted or viewed PUBLICLY either.

in THIS case statistics IS statistics and

statistical analysis leading to PROOF needs more/better data AND questions.

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Old 11-17-2009, 09:55 PM   #18
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Airsafe with Husky WD hitch

Here is my Airsafe Class 5 with a Husky weight distributing hitch. Sway bars are not attached but I use one friction type sway bar with this combination. If a WD hitch mounts to my class 5 Airsafe I would be surprised if you can't also mount it on the class 6
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:34 PM   #19
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I ask you, to quit challenging...
the ONLY challenge is to the CLAIM to have PROVED what causes accidents...

85 or 90 % of the time.

based on THAT questionnaire, reportedly used 30+ years ago.
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there simply aren't ANY questions on that form that lead to PROOF of what did or did not cause an accident.
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and NOTHING in this post is directed at you personally, but you have made the claim and did post the questionnaire.

and BOTH the claim and questionnaire are HERE for others to challenge.
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as JUST ONE EXAMPLE of this, lets consider the "holding tank" question....

and ASSUME 100% of the accidents involved empty tanks and 100% of NON accidents reported FULL holding tanks.

that would be a STRONG indication that HOLDING TANK WEIGHT/volume has SOMETHING to do with the accidents...

but it would NOT PROVE what caused ANY accidents or WHY accidents happened or did NOT happen.

and UNLESS SOMEONE VERIFIED that the holding tanks were EXACTLY as reported by the people filling out the questionnaires...

even THAT CONCLUSION is suspect.
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it is a SURVEY type questionnaire and does not lead to PROOF of anything.

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Old 11-17-2009, 10:35 PM   #20
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The simplest, and best way to answer the OP's question is for him to call Airsafe and ask their customer service people. All he needs is the weight of the trailer, the tongue weight, and a few other pertinent pieces of information and he will get the best solution to sway control for his hitch. I don't understand why he called Reese to see if their hitch was compatible. The Airsafe folks would have a recommendation for a compatible sway control system.
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:42 PM   #21
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the ONLY challenge is to the CLAIM to have PROVED what causes accidents...

85 or 90 % of the time.

based on THAT questionnaire, reportedly used 30+ years ago.
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there simply aren't ANY questions on that form that lead to PROOF of what did or did not cause an accident.
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and NOTHING in this post is directed at you personally, but you have made the claim and did post the questionnaire.
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and BOTH the claim and questionnaire are HERE for others to challenge.

as JUST ONE EXAMPLE of this, lets consider the "holding tank" question....

and ASSUME 100% of the accidents involved empty tanks and 100% of NON accidents reported FULL holding tanks.

that would be a STRONG indication that HOLDING TANK WEIGHT/volume has SOMETHING to do with the accidents...

but it would NOT PROVE what caused ANY accidents or WHY accidents happened or did NOT happen.

and UNLESS SOMEONE VERIFIED that the holding tanks were EXACTLY as reported by the people filling out the questionnaires...

even THAT CONCLUSION is suspect.
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it is a SURVEY type questionnaire and does not lead to PROOF of anything.

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Then I guess Airstream is stupid, since they recognized the data and agreed with it, without exception.
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Then I guess Airstream is stupid, since they recognized the data and agreed with it, without exception.
well THAT is another of your claims.

and we've got NO PROOF of either thing ((that a/s is stupid OR they agreed with the 'data'...))

without SEEING the "data" it doesn't exist.

and NONE of us can even guess HOW or IF any of those questions apply NOW, 2009.

it's really a pitiful survey and reflects how/what might have been asked by amateurs or those NOT trained in statistical methods or survey/research methods.

it's sad,

because IF the questions were better AND the answers available someone HERE might find a USEFUL item.

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Old 11-17-2009, 11:51 PM   #23
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Then I guess Airstream is stupid, since they recognized the data and agreed with it, without exception.
Hi, I think almost any company/corporation would agree if it meant transferring the liability to someone else. [owner/driver, tow vehicle manufacture, hitch manufacture, Etc Etc.]
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:19 AM   #24
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Hi, I think almost any company/corporation would agree if it meant transferring the liability to someone else. [owner/driver, tow vehicle manufacture, hitch manufacture, Etc Etc.]
Not at all. They questioned "how can you tell."

They felt that it was impossible to find out.

They were given the information, and then agreed, "that you indeed can tell" if a given rigging is likely to contribute to a loss of control accident.

And in time, the same basic reasons, are still at the fore front of the improper rigging issues.

There are those that object, of course, because in some ways, it doesn't make sense. However, in some other ways, the proof was in the pudding, that the Caravanner Insurance records showed time and time again, when you see the same thing happen, over and over, it becomes very clear, what the issues are, or were.

The analyzing of the returned information, was review by 2 different people, independent of each other. The bottom line results from those 2 people, were in agreement, better than 98 percent of the time.

I will make an attempt to talk to the person, if I can find him, that over saw that program, and see if I can get something in writing from him, bearing out what I have repeatedly posted, but in his words.

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I have a similar question. F-350 4x4 (SWR) with a 28 foot Safari.

I have tried to induce a sway situation many times by having trucks pass me at various speeds and relative speeds. I cannot detect any sway. Admittedly I have no experience with other rigs or sway. Still, I'm not inclined to solve a problem that I do not have.

I also don't have a WD hitch, which I am sure I need. My hitch is rated by Ford for 5000 lbs without WD, 10000 with it, and my AS is around 7000.
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:52 AM   #26
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What works for me is an old Reese Straightline DUAL cam WD hitch.
It has 550 lb bars. I did have 1000 lb bars but the rebound was so heriffic because of the stiffness of the bars that it would almost throw ya out of the seat. I sold that setup which actually came with the trailer at purchase. I already had the dual cam and the bars from a box trailer I had ordered then refused when it came in damaged.(another story)
With the longbed Crewcab Diesel F350 SW we come in on the scale at 14K TOTAL GROSS,that's ready to camp. We get a very smooth ride,proven by things left on the galley counter and the table and that surprisingly in the same spot at destination. I did change axles on the Overlander a year ago , which helped the ride also. Let me also say "MY WIFE HATES INTERSTATES" so we travel alot of two lane roads.Which means we meet and pass big trucks in all sorts of configurations and wind conditions. I never feel any sway and have purposely tried to induce sway without success.
DO YOU NEED SWAY CONTROL?? My answer DEFINITELY YES
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I have a similar question. F-350 4x4 (SWR) with a 28 foot Safari.

I have tried to induce a sway situation many times by having trucks pass me at various speeds and relative speeds. I cannot detect any sway. Admittedly I have no experience with other rigs or sway. Still, I'm not inclined to solve a problem that I do not have.

I also don't have a WD hitch, which I am sure I need. My hitch is rated by Ford for 5000 lbs without WD, 10000 with it, and my AS is around 7000.
Next time your out with your Airstream, quickly change lanes simulating avoiding a foreign object that just fell on the road in front of you.

I would suggest you not be over about 40 mph, when you make that test.

You will then find out, what "sway" is all about.

You might also consider being in the tow vehicle by yourself when you make that rapid lane change.

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and YOUR so called PROOF is based on THIS questionnaire...

which after YEARS of claiming to have PROOF of accident causes was FINALLY posted here...

no disrespect intended,
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You should calm down man...... this kind of posting attitude runs good people off and I'd rather not see anymore good knowledgable people gone. Personally, I do hear your tone as disrespect.

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