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Old 02-21-2010, 10:13 AM   #99
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BUT, when another driver, or a foreign object was dropped on the road in front of you and causes you to swerve your rig, you don't have time to play games.


At the Proving Ground we also conduct trailer tow tests (at max GVW) out on the VDA ( vehicle dynamics area) which is a huge paved area with specific friction coeficient. We acually do slaluem tests,testing vehicle stability. we still don't use sway control. What we do is properly rig and load the trailers. I can hear the screams now,so yes these guys &gals are trained drivers. How ever its interesting in the pursuit of safe towing (which is what we are testing for in this instance) that one of the big three does not use sway control even in their on grounds testing. On our actuall highway testing with drivers of all skill levals we also use no sway control.In the last five years I am aware of one trailer tow crash off site. There may be more that I am unaware of but I don't think so. Two young inexperianced engineers left Michigan a couple of years ago with a 1/2 ton truck pulling a steel decked flatbed tandon axled trailer.Torsoin bar suspension, with another 1/2 ton pickup loaded backwards on the trailer. They were tongue light. Just west of Flagstaff, Az on I-40 they crsahed on a 6% downgrade. There was no sway control hitch. It was a horific crash but fortuatly only involved them. The two youngsters walked away unscahed other than some under garment staining.Both trucks were totaled and the trailer took new tongue rails and lots of tweaking to get right. The cause was determined to be negitive tongue weight. A condition no amount of sway control can deal with. We still do tens of thousands of miles a year of trailer tow on public highways and we still use no sway control devices. Adios, John
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Old 02-21-2010, 10:32 AM   #100
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BUT, when another driver, or a foreign object was dropped on the road in front of you and causes you to swerve your rig, you don't have time to play games.
Agree! and even with a top of the line sway control hitch like the Hensley a large, heavy TV has limitations as in slower speed to complete the maneuver safely. Without the safety devices their limitations are amplified.

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Sway control

Sway control can offer additional control when towing.

Depending on the type, proper installation is a must.

Sway control, is an option to everyone.

That option may be rejected and may be accepted.

That choice, remains solely with the owner.

Regardless of one's choice, that is not reason to disagree with those that made a choice opposite of theirs.

Opinions, are just that.

Experience, is far more meaningful.

The RV industry, in many ways, is still deep in infancy.

Proper rigging, hitching and sway controls, are but a few of them.

Being argumentive about which is or which isn't the best way, is usually better accepted from a "person" who has been there and done that, and has their seat of the pants, personal experience.

Professional towing is far removed from the experiences and rigging that the everyday John and Jane Dow are subjected to. One really has no relationship, to the other.

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Old 02-21-2010, 10:59 AM   #102
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Andy you just don't understand.....we are working towards the absurd here.
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The cause was determined to be negitive tongue weight. A condition no amount of sway control can deal with.
I usually stay out of these "debates" but these two sentences drew me in...

Both of the pivot point projection hitches on the market deal quite nicely with light, or negative, tongue weight.

I don't, by any means, want to be argumentative but without understanding how the linkage works these are the kind of statements that lead to others not understanding their true options.
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:12 AM   #104
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I normally stay out of these "debates" but these two sentences drew me in...

Both of the pivot point projection hitches on the market deal quite nicely with light, or negative, tongue weight.

I don't, by any means, want to be argumentative but without understanding how the linkage works these are the kind of statements that lead to others not understanding their true options.
Believe me Sean....we been try'n.
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Just when I thought we were about to reach closure, we get some crazy idea that throws the whole idea back into limbo.
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Believe me Sean....we been try'n.

I see that...

Very few of us have 20/20 vision. I wear eyeglasses. The thing I remember most about my first pair of glasses is how much clearer the world became when I first put them on. I didn't even realize how blurry everything was before that point. I thought I could see perfectly. I would look at people with eyeglasses and wonder why in the world anyone would wear those things on their faces.
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Appreciate what your doing Sean the market needs the competition.

But.......I'm not planning to change my prescription.......
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Appreciate what your doing Sean the market needs the competition.

But.......I'm not planning to change my prescription.......

The prescription is the same...

The difference is in the style and the OPTOMETRIST.
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I don't, by any means, want to be argumentative but without understanding how the linkage works these are the kind of statements that lead to others not understanding their true options.
Yes... I was one of the fortunate ones to play with the scaled down, table top working model of the Hensley Arrow at Can Am's location.
Many of the outer parts were made of clear plexiglass which allowed the observer to see the mechanics and linkages. This clearly showed how the device works. It took less than 10 seconds with this model to understand how it prevents trailer sway and increases overall stability in a "big way"!
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YES-
Unless you have GREAT Life insurance...and intend to have your loved ones collect on it-
Seriously..... DONT LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT-
22k miles this past year- towed with a Chevy 3500 Duramax-
I STRONGLY recommend the "Reese double cam" with a WDH-
That will correct any rear end sag and keep the sway under control-
Additionally, you may wish to add a friction bar if traveling out west or where the winds gust up-

Think a fish's tail...then thinh of yourself on the other end with 6-8k behindyou at highway speed- Trust me- you can spot someone towing "hitch and ball" a mile away- they can only travel 45-50mph on a VERY calm day at best

Try Camping World dot com the Reese comes with great instructions on leveling and measuring- we put ours on in about 2.5 hrs-
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I see that...

Very few of us have 20/20 vision. I wear eyeglasses. The thing I remember most about my first pair of glasses is how much clearer the world became when I first put them on. I didn't even realize how blurry everything was before that point. I thought I could see perfectly. I would look at people with eyeglasses and wonder why in the world anyone would wear those things on their faces.
Nobody needs glasses, they just need to learn to deal with a fuzzy world. And don't show me any scary pictures of someone falling and try to claim it may have been due to the failure to wear glasses. It is obvious that this fall was due to some other cause and would have happened anyway. The state of Confusion, Department of Walking's 2009 report shows that trailer owners suffer far fewer falls than non trailer owners. So please stop these snake oil salesman's falsehoods and scare tactics. It won't work on me and I will do my best to keep it from working on others.



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So please stop these snake oil salesman's falsehoods and scare tactics. It won't work on me and I will do my best to keep it from working on others.



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This be a classic example of the blind trying to lead the blind!
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