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02-21-2010, 09:33 AM
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#101
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Sway control
Sway control can offer additional control when towing.
Depending on the type, proper installation is a must.
Sway control, is an option to everyone.
That option may be rejected and may be accepted.
That choice, remains solely with the owner.
Regardless of one's choice, that is not reason to disagree with those that made a choice opposite of theirs.
Opinions, are just that.
Experience, is far more meaningful.
The RV industry, in many ways, is still deep in infancy.
Proper rigging, hitching and sway controls, are but a few of them.
Being argumentive about which is or which isn't the best way, is usually better accepted from a "person" who has been there and done that, and has their seat of the pants, personal experience.
Professional towing is far removed from the experiences and rigging that the everyday John and Jane Dow are subjected to. One really has no relationship, to the other.
Andy
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02-21-2010, 09:59 AM
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#102
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Andy you just don't understand.....we are working towards the absurd here.
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02-21-2010, 10:09 AM
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#103
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ProPride Industries, Inc.
Commercial Member
Holly
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel1
The cause was determined to be negitive tongue weight. A condition no amount of sway control can deal with.
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I usually stay out of these "debates" but these two sentences drew me in...
Both of the pivot point projection hitches on the market deal quite nicely with light, or negative, tongue weight.
I don't, by any means, want to be argumentative but without understanding how the linkage works these are the kind of statements that lead to others not understanding their true options.
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02-21-2010, 10:12 AM
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#104
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Woodruff
I normally stay out of these "debates" but these two sentences drew me in...
Both of the pivot point projection hitches on the market deal quite nicely with light, or negative, tongue weight.
I don't, by any means, want to be argumentative but without understanding how the linkage works these are the kind of statements that lead to others not understanding their true options.
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Believe me Sean....we been try'n.
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02-21-2010, 10:19 AM
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#105
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Rivet Master
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 7,721
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Just when I thought we were about to reach closure, we get some crazy idea that throws the whole idea back into limbo.
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02-21-2010, 10:22 AM
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#106
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ProPride Industries, Inc.
Commercial Member
Holly
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Believe me Sean....we been try'n.
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I see that...
Very few of us have 20/20 vision. I wear eyeglasses. The thing I remember most about my first pair of glasses is how much clearer the world became when I first put them on. I didn't even realize how blurry everything was before that point. I thought I could see perfectly. I would look at people with eyeglasses and wonder why in the world anyone would wear those things on their faces.
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02-21-2010, 10:28 AM
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#107
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Appreciate what your doing Sean the market needs the competition.
But.......I'm not planning to change my prescription.......
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02-21-2010, 10:34 AM
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#108
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ProPride Industries, Inc.
Commercial Member
Holly
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Appreciate what your doing Sean the market needs the competition.
But.......I'm not planning to change my prescription.......
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The prescription is the same...
The difference is in the style and the OPTOMETRIST.
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02-21-2010, 10:40 AM
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#109
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
, South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Woodruff
I don't, by any means, want to be argumentative but without understanding how the linkage works these are the kind of statements that lead to others not understanding their true options.
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Yes... I was one of the fortunate ones to play with the scaled down, table top working model of the Hensley Arrow at Can Am's location.
Many of the outer parts were made of clear plexiglass which allowed the observer to see the mechanics and linkages. This clearly showed how the device works. It took less than 10 seconds with this model to understand how it prevents trailer sway and increases overall stability in a "big way"!
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02-21-2010, 10:46 AM
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#110
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3 Rivet Member
1990 34' Limited
Proud to be
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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YES-
Unless you have GREAT Life insurance...and intend to have your loved ones collect on it-
Seriously..... DONT LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT-
22k miles this past year- towed with a Chevy 3500 Duramax-
I STRONGLY recommend the "Reese double cam" with a WDH-
That will correct any rear end sag and keep the sway under control-
Additionally, you may wish to add a friction bar if traveling out west or where the winds gust up-
Think a fish's tail...then thinh of yourself on the other end with 6-8k behindyou at highway speed- Trust me- you can spot someone towing "hitch and ball" a mile away- they can only travel 45-50mph on a VERY calm day at best
Try Camping World dot com the Reese comes with great instructions on leveling and measuring- we put ours on in about 2.5 hrs-
SAFE TRAVELS!!
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02-21-2010, 10:56 AM
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#111
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Woodruff
I see that...
Very few of us have 20/20 vision. I wear eyeglasses. The thing I remember most about my first pair of glasses is how much clearer the world became when I first put them on. I didn't even realize how blurry everything was before that point. I thought I could see perfectly. I would look at people with eyeglasses and wonder why in the world anyone would wear those things on their faces.
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Nobody needs glasses, they just need to learn to deal with a fuzzy world. And don't show me any scary pictures of someone falling and try to claim it may have been due to the failure to wear glasses. It is obvious that this fall was due to some other cause and would have happened anyway. The state of Confusion, Department of Walking's 2009 report shows that trailer owners suffer far fewer falls than non trailer owners. So please stop these snake oil salesman's falsehoods and scare tactics. It won't work on me and I will do my best to keep it from working on others.
Regards,
Ken
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02-21-2010, 11:03 AM
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#112
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w7ts
So please stop these snake oil salesman's falsehoods and scare tactics. It won't work on me and I will do my best to keep it from working on others.
Regards,
Ken
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This be a classic example of the blind trying to lead the blind!
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02-21-2010, 11:08 AM
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#113
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Andy you just don't understand.....we are working towards the absurd here.
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Agreed!!!!
Andy
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02-21-2010, 11:09 AM
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#114
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Road Ruler
This be a classic example of the blind trying to lead the blind!
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How did you know that I wear glasses too?
Ken
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02-21-2010, 11:13 AM
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#115
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ProPride Industries, Inc.
Commercial Member
Holly
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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People only see what they are prepared to see. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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02-21-2010, 11:26 AM
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#116
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Woodruff
People only see what they are prepared to see. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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And sometimes, even glasses don't help.
Ask me how I know.
Andy
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02-21-2010, 11:31 AM
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#117
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Rivet Master
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,177
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Lets go back to that argument that we are more dangerous with a sway control device because it leads to complacency .
That was a good one !
I used to feel the same way about brakes .
Rich the Viking
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02-21-2010, 11:36 AM
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#118
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Rivet Master
1967 24' Tradewind
Wickenburg
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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I will admit I've never had the joy of playing with a table top model hitch. And I will admit that what I say is based on my exxperiance in life and my job experiance for a auto manufacterer.But it seems that the rebuttal opinions always overlook the fact that the company I work for does not use or advocate sway control. The rebutal arguements point out that if you advocate swaycontrol as unprovable then you must be an ignorant, unsafe, nearsighted person with total disregard for others safety. If you are going to malign my opinion why not back up your opinion with some data? Adios, John
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02-21-2010, 11:44 AM
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#119
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ProPride Industries, Inc.
Commercial Member
Holly
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel1
I will admit I've never had the joy of playing with a table top model hitch. And I will admit that what I say is based on my exxperiance in life and my job experiance for a auto manufacterer.But it seems that the rebuttal opinions always overlook the fact that the company I work for does not use or advocate sway control. The rebutal arguements point out that if you advocate swaycontrol as unprovable then you must be an ignorant, unsafe, nearsighted person with total disregard for others safety. If you are going to malign my opinion why not back up your opinion with some data? Adios, John
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I don't know what manufacturer you work. I'm sure I'll get accused of fear mongering but I'd like to ask if you know how many sway related accident suits your company has settled out of court?
Also, consider that the rebuttal opinions may have a perspective based on much more experience through many more experiences. Back to a seeing thing. If you have only traveled so far down the road, you never know what you might see later in your travels.
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02-21-2010, 12:15 PM
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#120
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Rivet Master
1967 24' Tradewind
Wickenburg
, Arizona
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 547
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Woodruff
I don't know what manufacturer you work. I'm sure I'll get accused of fear mongering but I'd like to ask if you know how many sway related accident suits your company has settled out of court?
Also, consider that the rebuttal opinions may have a perspective based on much more experience through many more experiences. Back to a seeing thing. If you have only traveled so far down the road, you never know what you might see later in your travels.
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I will gladly listen to your many experiances, but I to have many experiances that a lot of posters here are ready to religate to the trash heap. Untill you know my experiances I am unsure how you can conlude that yours are better.The company I work for, I have no dought has many times over the experiance and data that all the posters here combined have. As to your settling of lawsuits question, the answer is I don't know. Do you know the answer,you are in that business (hitch), that would be a right handy sales pitch.Even if you only know how many sway related lawsuits were settled out of court for one of the big three that would be a handy piece of information. My guess,and it is only a guess is not many. Like all big companys the bean counters assign risk, I'm thinking the risk must be low. As in not to many crashes caused by lack of sway control or we would be running those hitches in our towing tests. What we do is weigh,weigh,weigh. We balance the load,we secure the load,we test and check and change the brakes.In other words we follow safe towing procedures at the proving ground. Safety as you may know is a huge thing at a big company. Its the right thing to do and all. And with all the safety rules guess what .....not a sway control hitch in sight. hhmmm.
Adios, John
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