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Old 02-11-2010, 08:05 PM   #15
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Old 02-11-2010, 08:06 PM   #16
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We pull our 25FB (7400#) with a 2500 3/4 ton Suburban. We have towed our Aistream over 50,000 miles in the last three years. We would not consider towing our Airstream without a high quality sway control/weight distribution hitch system.

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Atta way Brian.

Unfortunately, some differ with you and I.

Someday, maybe, families will also know what "should be done", and refuse to ride if not done.

Life is so very precious. Why do some kick it to the curb, to save a few bucks? Beats me, and always has.

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Your Airstream weighs a major part of the weight of your tow vehicle. Your truck has only one axle doing the steering. An RV without sway control might want to veer out of alignment during a sudden emergency maneuver for instance. There's no way your one steering axle is going to overcome that. Best to buy yourself better odds by keeping the truck & Airstream lined up like they're one long school bus...

Or at least that was my experience in how it felt on a gravel road when a big roadhog logging truck appeared over a rise. The ditch and forest 4' from the road edge were not an option. I made a move into the soft gravel right at the margin of the road. The sideways inertia was too much for the conditions. Ice cream in the freezer banged the freezer door open. I was freaked for a second and then noticed how both truck axles and both trailer axles continued to work as one unit. There was a bit of swing to the rig but they stayed tied together in a straight line and I steered right through it. And this problem occurred at 20mph or less... The birch and fir were too close for anything less than good antisway gear. Reese HP Dual Cam. At the very least....
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:59 PM   #19
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Your original title was "Do I need sway control".

Not really. I have never seen a sway control on a human.

But for your rig? Absolutely!! Bet your boots. Seriously.

Ah, a little humor this time of night.

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Old 02-12-2010, 12:07 AM   #20
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No you do not need sway control. You also don't need scare stories, FUD mongering and all the rest that seems to go along with sway inhibition device advocacy.

What should guide you is your driving experience.

Sway control will not prevent accidents and may or may not provide a handling edge when you need it. If you find that you are not comfortable with how your rig handles going down the road and you get buffeted around by other vehicles on the road and you can't feel comfortable at highway speeds, sway control may help improve handling.

read the stories given above carefully and critically and you'll note that the problems described weren't matters of sway control. A sway control device is a damper like a shock absorber. It does not prevent rotations around the hitch and won't compensate for improper driver response (a major cause of sway problems is understeer and poor driver response to trailer perturbations).

A long wheelbase, short overhang, and proper suspension and tires should receive first attention in handling improvement efforts.

There is a lot of heated discussion on this topic causing a lot of smoke and very little clarity. The fact is that only a very small segment of the TT population uses effective sway devices yet the crash rate for TT's is not sufficient to make much of an impact on insurance rates. The implications of those facts should be clear to those who have an open mind and can think things through.
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:57 AM   #22
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No you do not need sway control.
What should guide you is your driving experience.

Sway control will not prevent accidents and may or may not provide a handling edge when you need it.
You say a sway control may ot may not provide a handling edge. But you also state that you don't need a sway control.

In the same light, a doctor, "may or may not" save your life.

Good brakes "may or may not" save your life.

Good tires "may or may not" save your life.

Seat belts "may or may not" save your life.

Proper medicines "may or may not" save your life.

Sensible towing speeds "may or may not" save your life.

When it becomes a question of "what if" most people will do what society mostly does, and they do everything that they can, and eliminate as many negative chances as they can.

Some people like to lean over the cliff. Most don't.

A "good" sway control, basically stops the sway from happening.

Trucks are no magical towing vehicle, semi-trucks excepted.

Anyone, that chooses to tow without using a sway control, at least a good sway control, is begging for trouble, and sooner or later, that trouble will find them when they least expect it.

Additionally, attorneys being what they are today, will sue the devil out of someone that lost control of their rig that caused property or bodily injury or death.

The RV industry, promotes the use of sway controls. That's common knowledge.

But, sdince we live in a free country, each of us can make choices of how we live our lives. If a person chooses to ignore safety issues, and then hurts something or someone, there is no question in any court of law, that they are liable for their actions, or lack thereof.

I have been there and done that representing an insurance company.

Why do we have insurance for anything?? In case something goes wrong, is the best answer there is.

If nothing goes wrong, then the insurance premium was a waste of money, but having the piece of mind, makes that expendature easily justified.

Spending many thousand of dollars on a tow vehicle and and even many more dollars on an Airstream, is a huge investment. Protecting that investment, as much as a person can do, is the usual way of American life.

But, that choice and risk belongs to the individual that made that decision.

For the vast majority of travel trailer owners, that risk is not worth talking about.

Therefore, a good sway control is "IN, and poor decisions regarding not using sway controls is "OUT".

Take a poll, and see what most everyone does to maximize towing safety, for themselves and for all their passengers.

We proved many years ago, that the lack of using a decent sway control, caused about one third of the loss of control accidents.

A good sway control, does exactly that. It stops a sway from starting in the first place. No if's ands, or buts.

There are way too many risks in life today, and it's sort of silly to subject one's self to any more than is absolutely necessary. And, especially when the cost to avoid a risk, such as using no sway control, is very small peanuts compared to the overall investment.

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Old 02-12-2010, 01:01 AM   #23
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use it or lose it
Safety, safety, and more safety.

Most people appreciate what it means, but, some could care less.

The saddest part of that is, we have to be on the same highway with them, and their passengers don't have a clue to anything but a trust in that persons judgement, that "may or may not" be correct.

Look out for arguements.

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I pulled my new-to-me 72 Airstream (4100 lbs or so) home recently w/o sway control. The distance was less than 150 miles, and covered only mild hills and roads. I tow w/ a F250 crewcab 4x4 which weighs 7100 lbs empty, and is quite stiff from side to side. This combo felt quite reasonable and safe, and once I replace the trailer's axles and brakes (the trailer brakes were non-functional) I would not hesitate to tow this trailer w/ that truck w/o sway control or weight distribution.

Others may feel very differently. You'll see a lot of heated debate on this topic, as others have mentioned. It all depends on your TV, your AS and you.

I apparently have most or all of the pieces of the Reese antisway and WD hitch the original owner used; I'll give that a try and see what kind of a difference this makes. Perhaps I'll become a convert.

Right now, I find keeping 12-15% of the trailer weight on the hitch, and loading the truck to close to gvw does a good job in keeping the ride unexciting.

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I pulled my new-to-me 72 Airstream (4100 lbs or so) home recently w/o sway control. The distance was less than 150 miles, and covered only mild hills and roads. I tow w/ a F250 crewcab 4x4 which weighs 7100 lbs empty, and is quite stiff from side to side. This combo felt quite reasonable and safe, and once I replace the trailer's axles and brakes (the trailer brakes were non-functional) I would not hesitate to tow this trailer w/ that truck w/o sway control or weight distribution.

Others may feel very differently.
Yup!

That is great. You have just proven to yourself that on a nice sunny day, with ideal driving and weather conditions, your rig "without appropriate safety" equipment. performed perfectly.

Auhhhhh, if we only lived in a perfect world!
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Yup!

That is great. You have just proven to yourself that on a nice sunny day, with ideal driving and weather conditions, your rig "without appropriate safety" equipment. performed perfectly.

Auhhhhh, if we only lived in a perfect world!
Some people believe they "DO" live in a perfect world.

Because their decisions are always correct, even when ignoring Physics, because it doesn't apply to them anyway.

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Sway control will not prevent accidents and may or may not provide a handling edge when you need it.

A sway control device is a damper like a shock absorber. It does not prevent rotations around the hitch
With all due respect, in my opinion, you have no idea what your TALKING about. How long have you towed with a Hensley or ProPride?, both of which don't CONTROL sway they ELIMINATE it.

Tell me where the "damper" or "shock absorber" is in this photograph.

Addressing the original posters question....sway control is a safety device...the more safe the better, for you and others on the road.
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You don't NEED seat belts, either, but I choose to wear them.

I agree with with Bob. I have logged well over 100,000 pulling heavy trailers with quality sway control/weight distribution equipment.My towing experience has always been very good, even under adverse conditions. It has been my experience that my driving track is actually more stable when towing the Airstream vs. the Suburban by itself. The Suburban is much more susceptible to significant cross winds when not towing the Airstream.

I have seen many towing rigs heading down the road doing the 'Interstate highway two-step' after being passed by a semi. When I eventually pass these guys, there is most ofter no hitch system in use. I have also noticed several of these Rhodes Scholars with anti-sway/weight distribution installed, but didn't bother putting on the WD bars. Go figure. These guys can't be having a pleasant towing experience.

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