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Old 03-10-2010, 05:18 PM   #169
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All of us were newcomers at one point. If an oldie doesn't want to read the repeat posts about old subjects, then so be it. Everyone is welcome, and therefore everyone should have the same chance to learn.
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Old 03-10-2010, 06:14 PM   #170
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but repetitive new threads on common/old topics tend to ignore that process and ALL of the prior postings,
What a crock.
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Old 03-11-2010, 05:23 AM   #171
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What a crock.
A bowl to cook in..

What a cucurbit...
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Old 03-11-2010, 08:01 AM   #172
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What a cucurbit...
a watermelon? then I googled. can you believe? a website dedicated to cucurbits? Cucurbitaceae & The Cucurbit Network
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2air, there is another interpretation about the plethora of posts: it is that the issue is not cut and dried, is not clear, and runs counter to the experience of many. If 'sway control' was a settled matter, it would not stimulate pages of discussion many times over. People work the issue because it is not settled.

As for the "I think its common sense that if you can reduce or eliminate the chance of 6,000 lbs. doing its own thing while attached to you and your loved ones at 60 plus mph than you should do so." type comments, they illustrate the point. If you really wanted safety, you would not take your family, much less yourself, out on the road in an RV. at all.

But the fact is we do get out on the road. We make choices about risk versus benefit.

The use of ridicule is almost as telling as the 'group think' meme that runs in threads like this. Both illustrate that actually examining the risks and the trade-offs that are being made every day are being shoved aside. The implication is that rational thinking about the risk versus benefit is uncomfortable for many.

Using logic like expressed in this thread, I could say that, since I saw an SOB crash, it is unsafe to tow an SOB. That makes about as much sense as noting an Airstream with a HAHA overturned near Bordertown that I saw a while back and then claiming that driving while towing an Airstream with a HAHA is unsafe.

This kind of unthinking 'safety at any cost' is perhaps why so many newbies get sold a friction bar sway device. They read threads like this and conclude that they have to buy one to be safe. They don't examine their needs, the options, and the benefits to determine what is best for them. They take the advice here that, if they buy a sway control device, any sway control device, they will be safe on the road and won't have to worry about handling or crashes or white knuckles everyone talks about.

They say you can't buy love: that may apply to safety as well. You can take precautions in order to help reduce the risk of bad decisions. You can be aware of your emotions and feelings and how they influence your judgment. But do be careful when others say you just gotta' as it is your decision.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:36 AM   #174
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Sure you can choose not to use a sway control device.

But you shouldn't say that that choice doesn't matter, that choosing one or the other is just a coin flip in the scheme of things.

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Is anyone using this version of the Reese SC Hitch? (weight distribution with friction sway control)
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Old 03-11-2010, 02:21 PM   #176
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Sure you can choose not to use a sway control device.

But you shouldn't say that that choice doesn't matter, that choosing one or the other is just a coin flip in the scheme of things.

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And still........ no proof( other than subjective-it feels good), that choosing sway control or not is more than a coin toss. Adios, John
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Question Help me....

I forgot....just what are we trying to prove here?
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Old 03-11-2010, 02:51 PM   #178
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I forgot....just what are we trying to prove here?
There is a faction here that believes that until proof is provided that sway control is advisable, the rest of us are out of line advising that someone use sway control.

I do not know what form this proof is supposed to take, but it is apparently not pictures of accidents, unless you have sworn affidavits from those that did not survive the wreck stating that lack of sway control contributed.

you might as well resign yourself that every time one of us recommends sway control, sooner or later one or more of these detractors will show up to tell us that we don't know what we are talking about. I decided a while ago, that I would just ignore them. Let the person with the original question sort out the wheat from the chaff.

The amusing part is that the OP of this thread made his decision quite some time ago.

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There is a faction here that believes that until proof is provided that sway control is advisable, the rest of us are out of line advising that someone use sway control.

I do not know what form this proof is supposed to take, but it is apparently not pictures of accidents, unless you have sworn affidavits from those that did not survive the wreck stating that lack of sway control contributed.

you might as well resign yourself that every time one of us recommends sway control, sooner or later one or more of these detractors will show up to tell us that we don't know what we are talking about. I decided a while ago, that I would just ignore them. Let the person with the original question sort out the wheat from the chaff.

The amusing part is that the OP of this thread made his decision quite some time ago.

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Update:
I drive a Ford F250 4x4 Crew cab Shortbed.
I tow a 25' International
I have a Reese Dual CAM W/D Hitch with 800lb sway bars.

Like the one shown:
Reese Strait-Line Trunnion Bar Hitch and Dual Cam HP Sway Control | RV Supply Warehouse

Did I NEED it? Lets put it this way.... I don't want to find out later that I did need it.
Am I happy? Yes Peace of mind is a wonderful thing.

Topic Closed and Thank-you all for your advice and opinions.

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Old 03-11-2010, 07:19 PM   #180
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If anyone is interested in adding the dual cam setup to their reese round bar system you might want to check out this site TRAILER WEIGHT AND SWAY CONTROL GET R HITCHED RIGHT | AJS TRUCK & TRAILER CENTER I think this may also work with both the round bar and square bar Trunnion system as long as they have the bent front tips on the WD bars made for the Dual Cam setup.
It's the older cam system but they're new in the box for only $40. That's quite a deal compared to buying the newer gold colored cams for over $200 and I'd think they would still be effective. Actually less then added 2 friction sway controls.

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We've towed our 22 ft 2004 Airstream International AS without weight distribution or sway control for probably 4,000 mile without any problems. Really haven't felt the need for it. Pulls like a dream.
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Oh cr@p...

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