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Old 08-26-2008, 07:14 PM   #15
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maybe we can get inland andy to practice that move?
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:39 PM   #16
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"DOT has informed us at work that crossing chains is not safe practice" ...
It's hard for me to reconcile that with this statement from the NHTSA/DOT Trailering Guide:

"Make sure the hitch has provisions for the connection of safety chains, which are required by most states. When connected, safety chains should have some slack to permit sharp turns but should not drag on the road. In addition, they should cross under the trailer tongue to help prevent the tongue from dropping to the road in the event the trailer separates from the tow vehicle."
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:13 PM   #17
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Should chains be crossed? If so, why, where, and, how many times?

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Once to form an X. do not under any circumstance twist them to shorten them. it will significantly reduce thier strength. I used ty-wraps to take up the excess length.
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When you say "twist" them, do you mean to twist each chain separately to curl up the chains, or do you mean to wrap one around the other to take up the slack?
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:45 AM   #19
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maybe we can get inland andy to practice that move?
What move?

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Old 08-27-2008, 12:14 PM   #20
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I think he meens twisting is simply turning them to shorten them, Like and old telephone cord. I am not a fan of twisting chains. Chains are designed to work a specific way. straight pulling twisting is putting a more torsion motion which in my opinion can amplify normal tension. (That is why the cop puts the hand cuffs on you so it digs into your wrists) you wont be able to twist the chains to break them.
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I wanted to say that Andy is the same as Airstream a timeless treasure. What I meen is, I noticed Andy that your picture hasnt changed any in 2003 posts and 2008 posts. Andy has found the fountain of youth, Maybe we all have???????
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That is why the cop puts the hand cuffs on you so it digs into your wrists) you wont be able to twist the chains to break them.
Well, I have never had any experience with hand cuffs. At least not with real cops.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:08 PM   #24
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What move?

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"DOT has informed us at work that crossing chains is not safe practice" ...their reasoning may be that if the chains are not equal lengths, and IF the trailer becomes separated the one longer chain may "throw" the trailer around to the other side of the tow vehicle causing further unstability in a very tense moment. DUH!Still doesn't make sense...the trailer isn't supposed to become separated while traveling anyway (IF we are doing things RIGHT!).

we'll have you tow a trailer at 65 mph, use exploding bolts on the tow ball and test the results with:
1) uncrossed chains
2) crossed chains
3) crossed and twisted chains

an andy, i'm not offering MY trailer for the tests, lol.

i suspect you already know the answers.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:33 PM   #25
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"DOT has informed us at work that crossing chains is not safe practice" ...their reasoning may be that if the chains are not equal lengths, and IF the trailer becomes separated the one longer chain may "throw" the trailer around to the other side of the tow vehicle causing further unstability in a very tense moment. DUH!Still doesn't make sense...the trailer isn't supposed to become separated while traveling anyway (IF we are doing things RIGHT!).

we'll have you tow a trailer at 65 mph, use exploding bolts on the tow ball and test the results with:
1) uncrossed chains
2) crossed chains
3) crossed and twisted chains

an andy, i'm not offering MY trailer for the tests, lol.

i suspect you already know the answers.
I don't, as well as many other people, always agree with DOT.

During my many thousands of towing miles, I always crossed the chains.

There are two reasons for doing so.

1. The chains won't drag the pavement.

2. When a turn is made, the chains do not tighten, as they would if they were straight.

Straight chains can inhibit a tight turn.

Crossed chians, never interfer, with the tightest of turns.

DOT, in their statement, I think assumes those that tow trailers, are all nuts.

Who in the world would have 2 different chain lengths? No one that I know of.

Crossed chains, are for me.

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thanks andy.
i think if twisted a certain way, one chain becomes shorter. it's like when you twist two wires together and one does more wrapping than the other.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:41 PM   #27
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I wanted to say that Andy is the same as Airstream a timeless treasure. What I meen is, I noticed Andy that your picture hasnt changed any in 2003 posts and 2008 posts. Andy has found the fountain of youth, Maybe we all have???????
Fountain of youth?

Perhaps.

Looking at hula girls, doing their thing, while I am sitting on Waikiki beach, slowly sipping a Mai Tai, spiked with "real" pineapple, breathing truly fresh air, does indeed make a person feel younger, and perhaps evens reverses the aging process.

It works for me.

Everyone there is family, like cousins.

Aloha and Mahalo too.

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thanks andy.
i think if twisted a certain way, one chain becomes shorter. it's like when you twist two wires together and one does more wrapping than the other.
Well, what can I say.

We both know some guys, that can't tie the shoe laces on both shoes, the same way.

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