Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-29-2007, 09:23 AM   #15
Just an old timer...
 
85MH325's Avatar

 
Tipton , Iowa
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,031
Images: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall
I'm getting lost in the techno jargon above. All I know from experience is when I towed with a 1/2 ton Suburban it was all over the road with a Reese WD Hitch without a sway bar. I have also towed with a F350 and now a F250 Superduty. It did not feel like I even needed the WD or the sway but I use them anyway in case I get into a catastophic failure that would set up a fishtail situation I could not recover from.
Ok, Marshall, it's not techno jargon, it's vocabulary you need to have to discuss this subject so everyone is on the same page with what gizmo you're actually talking about.

And, from your post, I'm not sure exactly which equipment you're telling us you do/did or didn't have. For the record, a sway bar is a traction gizmo that attaches to the suspension of the vehicle that keeps the body from rolling (leaning) during hard cornering. A friction sway control is the gizmo that mounts to the hitch and tongue on balls and has a tightening lever that allows you to tighten it down. I presume you meant a friction sway control when you said "sway bar"?

Rodney is asking specifically about the behavior of the Reese Dual-Cam weight distributing/sway control setup.

Roger
__________________

__________________
AIR 2053 Current: 2006 Born Free 32 RQ Kodiak Chassis, & 1995 Coachmen B-van
Former Airstreams: 1953 Flying Cloud, 1957 Overlander, 1961 Bambi, 1970 Safari Special, 1978 Argosy Minuet, 1985 325 Moho, 1994 Limited 34' Two-door, 1994 B190 "B-Van"
85MH325 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 09:59 AM   #16
Site Team
 
azflycaster's Avatar
 
1975 25' Tradewind
Dewey , Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,127
Images: 62
Blog Entries: 1
Rodney,
I can only relate what I have. When I first got my trailer it had a Reese Trunnion Weight Distribution setup. I towed for about a year like this and everything was fine, no sway. The only issue I had was the push from the big rigs that blew by me at high speed. Last year I added a friction anti-sway bar to the setup. I still feel the big rigs go by, but the effect has been reduced greatly. The friction bar locks (to some degree) the trailer and the truck in a straight line and now when the big rigs blow by, the entire setup is pushed a little instead of each piece going one at a time. Like I said, I had no sway before and none now.

If I was to replace my hitch today, I would most likely go with the Reese dual cam setup. It is designed to bring the trailer back into a straight line, not just to help prevent it from getting out of line.
__________________

__________________

Richard

Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 10:59 AM   #17
More than one rivet loose
 
thecatsandi's Avatar

 
Currently Looking...
Keymar , Maryland
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,754
According to my installing dealer the size of your trailer. Friction is not efffective on larger trailers. What is larger? I did not ask. mine was definately larger.
__________________
Michelle TAC MT-0
Sarah, Snowball

Looking for a 1962 Flying Cloud

thecatsandi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 11:04 AM   #18
Site Team
 
azflycaster's Avatar
 
1975 25' Tradewind
Dewey , Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,127
Images: 62
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecatsandi
According to my installing dealer the size of your trailer. Friction is not effective on larger trailers. What is larger? I did not ask. mine was definitely larger.
I think that most friction anti sway companies recommend a 2nd device when the trailer exceeds 25 feet.
__________________

Richard

Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 11:16 AM   #19
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,002
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
I've used both the Reese Dual-Cam and the Equal-i-zer hitch. The Dual-Cam was used with a 6,000 lb. 27' Safari. The Equal-i-zer is being used with an 8,000+ lb. 30' Classic Slide Out. In either case the same tow vehicle is being used, a 2003 3/4 GMC Savana passenger van.

In my experience I have found the Equal-i-zer to exhibit less sway from passing semi's than the Dual-Cam. Technically from my understanding of the differences in the hitches, I would have expected the opposite. So whether the difference is due to the fact that the Safari weighed so much less, I'm just not sure. But my local dealer who sells both hitches says that he's gotten good feed back from former Dual-Cam owners who have switched to Equal-i-zer hitches. Note that there are two bolts on the Equal-i-zer that have to be occasionally checked and torqued between 45-60 ft. lbs. That provides the initial friction. Then the weight on the hitch head provides additional friction by the hitch components. I've towed in some absolutely horrible cross winds, gusts up to 45 mph and based on folks who have followed me in these conditions the Classic just sits behind the van unphased.

Personally both hitches are good and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 11:32 AM   #20
Naysayer
 
Boondocker's Avatar

 
1968 24' Tradewind
Louisville , earth
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,635
Images: 7
Send a message via Yahoo to Boondocker
So

Since I have a Reese weight distribution with friction sway control all ready (WD bars are straight); am I correct in thinking that in order to convert to a dual cam system I would just need the cam kit and new WD bars?
__________________
Rodney

Visit my photography page
and the
Favorite camp grounds project map
My Blog

(The artist formerly known as General Disarray)

Boondocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 11:46 AM   #21
Site Team
 
azflycaster's Avatar
 
1975 25' Tradewind
Dewey , Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,127
Images: 62
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gen Disarray
Since I have a Reese weight distribution with friction sway control all ready (WD bars are straight); am I correct in thinking that in order to convert to a dual cam system I would just need the cam kit and new WD bars?
It depends on which arms you have. If you have these:

you should be able to. I have the ones that are level all the way and I can not. Mine look like this:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	hitchwithbars.JPG
Views:	77
Size:	78.4 KB
ID:	48204  
__________________

Richard

Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 11:54 AM   #22
Naysayer
 
Boondocker's Avatar

 
1968 24' Tradewind
Louisville , earth
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,635
Images: 7
Send a message via Yahoo to Boondocker
Question cornfused here

Hey Richard,

I have the same type WD arms as yours, that is what I was talking about replacing along with buying the cams. Are you saying I cannot convert to those arms with my present setup?
__________________
Rodney

Visit my photography page
and the
Favorite camp grounds project map
My Blog

(The artist formerly known as General Disarray)

Boondocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 12:05 PM   #23
Site Team
 
azflycaster's Avatar
 
1975 25' Tradewind
Dewey , Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,127
Images: 62
Blog Entries: 1
You should be able to keep the head and buy the rest.
I would get in contact with them before I bought anything.
Reese-Hitches.com > America's most recognized Hitch!
It looks like you could convert for around $300 + shipping.
$150 for new arms
$140 for the DC or $175 for the High Performance

Let me know how it works out, I might do the same next...
__________________

Richard

Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 12:23 PM   #24
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,002
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Quote:
Originally Posted by azflycaster
It depends on which arms you have. If you have these:

you should be able to. I have the ones that are level all the way and I can not. Mine look like this:
I remember I had the straight arms and there were two predrilled holes at the end. There was a bolt on cam kit that allowed you to put the needed cams at the end of the bars. If the predrilled holes are not there, you will need to buy new bars.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 12:29 PM   #25
Site Team
 
azflycaster's Avatar
 
1975 25' Tradewind
Dewey , Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,127
Images: 62
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks for the tip. They should all have the holes. That is where the U-bolt is mounted to attach the chains.
__________________

Richard

Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
azflycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 12:40 PM   #26
Rivet Master
 
1984 31' Excella
Norfolk , Virginia
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 667
Images: 11
Cam VS friction sway control

Thats right. You remove the U bolt holding the chain to the spring bar and bolt on the cam adapter using the holes the chain U bolt passed through.
That is what South Jersey RV did to my old straight spring bars.
Beginner
__________________
Beginner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 12:52 PM   #27
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
the proposed tv is sufficiently different from it's predicessor...

that it would seem useful to TOW some with the current/old hitch configuration before making changes...

IF the question really is "difference in performance"

yes the bars/chains can be changed out to include cams...

which btw really ARE another form of friction control.

in order for the cam design to function (not the same as performance) effectively

spring bar deflection is critical.

there are zillions of posts on 'bar rating' as related to older tow vehicles and suspension stiffness.

and this is a rare situation where those posts actually DO apply.

ideal spring bar rating may be 400lbs or 800lbs or something in between.

since the tv leaf springs have been in use so long it will take some trial/effort to match the correct bars...and a scale visit

given the specific tv/trailer\driver combo it is unlikely that a significant performance difference will result during travel with the correct springs bars...

choose the wrong bars and the performance will deteriorate.

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2007, 12:53 PM   #28
Patriotic
 
Chuck's Avatar

 
1973 23' Safari
North of Boston , Massachusetts
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,533
Images: 260
yep, mine are "bolt-on" cams, too.
__________________

__________________
Air:291
Wbcci: 3752
'73 Safari 23'
'00 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 QC
Chuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Reese Friction Control or Dual Cam? donreitz Hitches, Couplers & Balls 34 06-24-2004 01:43 PM
34' with friction sway control? Kistler Hitches, Couplers & Balls 12 05-02-2004 04:25 PM
Is dual cam better than friction sway control? Fogducker Hitches, Couplers & Balls 6 02-12-2004 10:37 PM
friction vs. dual cam sway Craig Hitches, Couplers & Balls 8 04-29-2003 12:30 PM
Equal-i-zer or Reese Dual Cam Sway Control? VWMARTINEZ Hitches, Couplers & Balls 19 03-19-2003 07:17 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.