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Old 11-18-2014, 07:45 PM   #15
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The Blue Ox is not a "conventional" hitch. It does use friction to control sway nor does it start combatting sway when it starts. It does not allow sway to start.
That should read "does not use friction"....
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:46 AM   #16
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Go with ProPride or Hensley is my advice

My wife and I are returning to RVing after a 2 year break. We last travelled in a Diesel Motorhome, a gas Motorhome and previous to that we travelled with a Ford Diesel Excursion, first with a 28ft Sunline trailer and then a 35ft Mountaineer. Long trips and Interstates were/are common for us.

My first hitch was a Reese Dual Cam which I thought was good. Some sway but correctable with not too much thought. On the Mountaineer, the Reese was white knuckle in wind and passing semi trucks. The Hensley cured all of that and I realized just how bad comparitivly the Reese was on what I thought was a great setup with my smaller trailer.

Fast forward to today. We now have returned to our trailing days with a recently bought 1Ton GMC Sierra Diesel and a Airstream Flying Cloud FB27.

I've been reading up again on all the threads about hitches and was seduced by the Equalizer and went as far as to order it. Next day I cancelled the order because essentially the hitch is a clever weight distribution/friction control device as are most of the others of that type.

The ProPride/Hensley are much different in the way they operate. Essentially the TV can turn the trailer but the trailer cannot turn the TV.
I also remembered the solid performance over many thousand miles from my earlier Hensley experience. That plus the fact we have recently spent many thousands getting back on the road and an additional once off insurance of $2.5k pales into insignificance. If we were only taking local trips then I might have been tempted to stay with the Equalizer or some such.

I ordered the ProPride because it is an updated design from the pen of Mr Hensley and in some ways is easier to hitch up. (so I've heard).

Other people will have different stories but this is my truth.

Whatever you decide, travel safe and happy.
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:14 PM   #17
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Check into Hensley too

We've used the Hensley Cub (small version of their Arrow for smaller/lighter trailers) on a range of rented TVs - Nissan Pathfinder (2013 truck type), Dodge 2500 & now a Ford F250 this weekend for a handful of vintage trailer rallies & camp-outs we go to a year with our 1960 Avion T20. And it was a huge improvement over a F150 with its built-in anti-sway & the Pathfinder "bare on ball" was a nightmare!

I looked at both Hensley & the ProPride, but the attachment set-up for the PP was problematic on our short 30" A-frame & I was concerned about failure of their adjustable tow bar/stinger - even though that would've been the perfect deal for varying rental TVs!

Ask Terry at Hensley to show you their tests of the adjustible towbars before you decide.

The above & the fact that the Cub was adequate for our relatively light (+/- 3-3500# as currently setup & loaded) TT plus about $500 less than the PP even with an extra stinger towbar made my decision.

IMHO there really isn't a lot to the "updated" aspect of the PP other than changes in attachment etc. in actual practice - which I'm sure will get howls from Sean & all the PP-philes.

The truth is when Hensley/PP work on the TV-TT combo it's about the same functionally, but loads better than the other friction/cam/damper types of WD/AS hitches! ...at a higher price too, but cheap compared to repairing damage!

Another advantage with Hensely/PP types is that you leave everything on the TT when unhitched & still have to stow a towbar, plus I felt the Hensley wind-up/down jacks for the torsion bars would be easier long term as I age.

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Old 11-19-2014, 12:49 PM   #18
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ProPride also has nice wind-up jacks for the tension bars. I prefer them because it's easy to adjust tension in fine increments. The old hitch I had was a arm breaker with the chains and lever pipe to latch them.


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Old 11-19-2014, 03:37 PM   #19
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Tom what failures with the ProPride stingers would there be from being adjustable?
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Old 11-19-2014, 04:02 PM   #20
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It's know that there was exactly ONE adjustable stinger failure due to a bad weld. Since there are thousands of them out there, I feel safe with mine. Hensley will make a big deal of it, but in my considered opinion, that smacks of gonzo marketing tactics.

I have and implicitly trust my ProPride system, and that's my bottom line. I have beat and bounced my AS and TV over some really bad roads without any issues. Keep in mind all this is mechanical, it has to be maintained, properly torqued, and lubricated. Take care of ANY hitch, or suffer the consequences...


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Old 11-19-2014, 07:30 PM   #21
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I like the ProPride so much I purchased a second for our 1970 which is half the weight of our 1997. WD is excellent, hitching is a simple quick process, and the driving/handling experience is superb
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Old 11-19-2014, 08:44 PM   #22
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My experience exactly.

Nothing like a long run on a busy Texas highway with semi trucks blowing past as you do 65+ in complete comfort. Or the tire-smoking, both feet on the brake pedal panic stop in downtown Phoenix....dead straight!


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Old 11-19-2014, 11:19 PM   #23
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y'all may recall, last year we had recently installed the PP hitch.. got a lot of flak for it.... on way home, a guy passes improperly and endangers us (3 granddaughters, my bride and her dog and I), plus a line of oncoming cars.. required us to steer onto the soft shoulder of a 2 lane road....

The AS tracked dead straight behind the 2500 Silverado Dmax 4x4..... no wiggle, wobble and we did not fall down...

There have been a couple other 'near hits'... (not a near miss)... where evasive maneuvers were executed and the AS stayed put.

The PP just rocks.
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:40 PM   #24
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Tom what failures with the ProPride stingers would there be from being adjustable?
There are some test videos on the Hensley website, but I don't have my bookmarks anymore from that due to a hard drive failure. I recall that it was the vertical tube part which separated & tore apart with the torque & force imparted by the Hensley anti-sway head & WD mechanism.

Email Terry Powell at Hensley for them if you can't find them right off.

Apparently Hensley had looked at doing the adjustable type towbar, & ProPride will you you one to fit Hensley that I was considering getting for my Cub for adjustable height with varying TVs, but Terry showed me the video & other test info & I passed on that idea.

This is what Terry had emailed to me a while back in response to whether I could use the adjustable hitch bar with bolts to set the offset:

"We tested using an adjustable hitch bar extensively. Our engineers determined for this style of hitch a hitch bar that is bolted together is not strong enough. The failure rate during testing was higher than our safety standards would allow. A single piece hitch bar is much stronger."

He also had links in the full original message for the test report & video, but I've lost that now.

I've also seen some similar failures with adjustable heads on non-Hensley/PP types of WD hitches (Blue Ox, Reese, Equalizer, etc.) documented online - so also maybe google for WD hitch failures &/or adjustable towbar failures.

Maybe Terry Powell will see this topic & weigh in with their test info at Hensley on use of adjustable tow bars / hitch bars??
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As stunningly heavy as that ProPride adjustable hitch bar is, I seriously doubt that it would break in ordinary use. Heck, its sometimes a struggle just picking the thing up to install it--I'm not getting any younger or stronger. I need to build a dolly to position it and store it like I've seen elsewhere on the Forums, or add a handle to it somehow. Thats my only issue with it.

Historically, Hensley Manufacturing was offered the ProPride design by the original designer, as an upgrade. They chose not to go with it. They will defend their position, of course.

Sean used to work at Hensley, and chose to go with the new design when he started ProPride. There are MANY improvements in the ProPride that are not in the Hensley Manufacturing product line--not just the adjustable hitch offset...

I'm calling sour grapes on this one...engineers can build anything strong enough if they want to. And yeah, I'm an engineer, not a marketing person.
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It's know that there was exactly ONE adjustable stinger failure due to a bad weld. Since there are thousands of them out there, I feel safe with mine. Hensley will make a big deal of it, but in my considered opinion, that smacks of gonzo marketing tactics.

I have and implicitly trust my ProPride system, and that's my bottom line. I have beat and bounced my AS and TV over some really bad roads without any issues. Keep in mind all this is mechanical, it has to be maintained, properly torqued, and lubricated. Take care of ANY hitch, or suffer the consequences...


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Both PP & Hensley work the same way & were designed by the same guy, who has licensed each to those 2 companies to produce respectively. They're both excellent WD/NoSway hitches.

However, I don't believe there was "exactly ONE" failure of all the adjustable hitchbars/towbars & stingers out there in use, because I've personally seen pix of more than one.

That said - each person has to make their own decision to use a solid welded towbar/stinger or adjustable types - and whether to do so with either PP or Hensley. I was more comfortable with non-adjustable type, & the A-frame attachment & lower cost of the Hensley Cub was better for me, but I considered both.

This really does not have to be a debate of the PP-faithful vs. the Hensley-crats, when the OP is really asking about non-articulating vs. the articulating WD/AS hitches & benefits of the latter given the higher cost.
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:57 PM   #27
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Nuff said RM - no need for the two of us to hijack this guy's thread to debate PP over Hensley.

Both work, let him look into both & decide which works best for HIM.

Dun here - Cheers!
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My hitch is as square now as the day installed... over 10k miles on it.

If I had any concern over strength, based upon where I have noted the mentioned failure, I would just re-weld. I can break most anything man-made.... but not the PP.. yet.

Oh.. and for 'adjustable' concern... once you have things 'aligned' it is not hard to have the whole contraption welded...
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