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Old 08-31-2013, 01:05 PM   #57
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i think your problem is the receiver. mine is not as sloppy as that but still sloppy. the cost of a receiver will probably be cheaper that all mods you'll be doing.

p.s. don't replace it with another ford unit.
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Old 08-31-2013, 01:12 PM   #58
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Here are some photos of my sleeve and Ford receiver pin holes. You can study some of the wear patterns.

I'm learning from the video that I have more slop in my assembly than most folks have. I will try shim stock first to tighten things up. I have about .070 clearance between the square members. And .050 clearance between the pin and its holes.

You can see the distress in the holes, and the wear pattern on the sleeve bottom, inside toward the truck. My sleeve totally encapsulates the Propride drawbar, and the Ford receiver totally encapsulates the sleeve.
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Old 08-31-2013, 01:21 PM   #59
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on mine i made an aluminum shim/sleeve. it will eventually thin out but it works for now. i don't do the miles you do but i'm still planning to replace mine. youe hitch is working overtime. make sure you increase the lubrication times.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:57 PM   #60
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Okay, I purchased some .010 thick galvanized flashing material at the hardware store here in Bandon, OR. Nice resort town along the coast. Bullards Beach State Park is wonderful. Very privite campsites with full hookups.

I cut several 1.75 wide and 6.00 long shims. I stuffed 5 between the Propride and the reducer sleeve, and I stuffed 6 between the reducer sleeve and the Ford receiver. That is .110 filled of the .140 slop I measured between members. I did not shim either of the sides. The shims are about equal on both the top and the bottom of the square members. I had to pound it together with my rubber hammer.

Then I used a grade 8 5/8 dia by 4" long bolt with a nyloc nut on course threads. I tighten the nut "goot 'n tite", the standard torque spec in Minnesota.

The amount of slop, or free play in the assembly is greatly reduced. I probably have less than 1" rotatioinal play where before I had over 4". And the vertical movement is less than 1/2". Side to side freeplay is still present, but again reduced. There is still some freeplay in all directions. I note that I do have bolt threads in the receiver hole area on the threaded end.

Tightening the bolt squeezed the Ford receiver some. I feel I have a much more solid hitch connection to the receiver now. The trouble is I won't be taking it off the truck during this trip as it takes way too much time to assemble. I'll be whacking my shins on it. Ouch!

The ultimate solution is a 2.5" drawbar that fits snugly to the Ford receiver. I'll contact Propride. Maybe I have an oversized Ford receiver square hole?

Can anyone think of a reason I should not tow with a grade 8 bolt tightened down with a lock nut as a shank pin? The grade 8 ain't gonna bend. Did the designers build all this slop in the assembly to allow the hitch forces to find the most resistance naturally? Aircraft wings flex for a reason. The spring clips we use to hold the shank pin in place don't vibrate loose like a nut might.

I'm on the road again next Tuesday. Hyway 101 is bumpy and curvy. It will be a good test as all the towing forces would be in play. I'll inspect the bolt after a day's run and report to you any distress. (I will replace the nut with new after I take it off.) Thanks for all your input in this thread.

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David,

My belief...the "slop" was built in because too many were rusting in place and impossible to remove, one Winter up here and there stuck permanently.

The bolt should do fine as a temporary solution. You can see in the photo of our boat stinger I use a similar set-up for adjusting the drop. But the boat & trailer only weigh 2500lbs.

As I mentioned before, it may be time to replace the 13 yr old Ford receiver.
An after market class V would have a thicker wall on the square opening, made even more robust by the added thickness of the sleeve, and no oval holes.
Plus if the receiver has never been off you may be very surprised at it's condition and that of the mounting bolts.

POI...on our 95 Burb I removed the receiver every Fall, (8 bolts, pretty easy), cleaned all the mounts holes, oiled the threads and replaced the bolts.
The wiring & connector put in a grease filled baggie and tucked up away from the Winter salt.
10min re-install at Spring get-ready.

You learn the hard way here in WNY!

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Okay, I purchased some .010 thick galvanized flashing material at the hardware store here in Bandon, OR. Nice resort town along the coast. Bullards Beach State Park is wonderful. Very privite campsites with full hookups.

I cut several 1.75 wide and 6.00 long shims. I stuffed 5 between the Propride and the reducer sleeve, and I stuffed 6 between the reducer sleeve and the Ford receiver. That is .110 filled of the .140 slop I measured between members. I did not shim either of the sides. The shims are about equal on both the top and the bottom of the square members. I had to pound it together with my rubber hammer.

Then I used a grade 8 5/8 dia by 4" long bolt with a nyloc nut on course threads. I tighten the nut "goot 'n tite", the standard torque spec in Minnesota.

The amount of slop, or free play in the assembly is greatly reduced. I probably have less than 1" rotatioinal play where before I had over 4". And the vertical movement is less than 1/2". Side to side freeplay is still present, but again reduced. There is still some freeplay in all directions. I note that I do have bolt threads in the receiver hole area on the threaded end.

Tightening the bolt squeezed the Ford receiver some. I feel I have a much more solid hitch connection to the receiver now. The trouble is I won't be taking it off the truck during this trip as it takes way too much time to assemble. I'll be whacking my shins on it. Ouch!

The ultimate solution is a 2.5" drawbar that fits snugly to the Ford receiver. I'll contact Propride. Maybe I have an oversized Ford receiver square hole?

Can anyone think of a reason I should not tow with a grade 8 bolt tightened down with a lock nut as a shank pin? The grade 8 ain't gonna bend. Did the designers build all this slop in the assembly to allow the hitch forces to find the most resistance naturally? Aircraft wings flex for a reason. The spring clips we use to hold the shank pin in place don't vibrate loose like a nut might.

I'm on the road again next Tuesday. Hyway 101 is bumpy and curvy. It will be a good test as all the towing forces would be in play. I'll inspect the bolt after a day's run and report to you any distress. (I will replace the nut with new after I take it off.) Thanks for all your input in this thread.

David

Try this maybe?

Hitch tightener: no wobble, anti rattle stabilizer device for hitch accessories

This has worked really well to settle my previously loose system.

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Old 09-01-2013, 10:24 AM   #63
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My Super Duty is a 2013 with 9000 towing miles on it. It's my retirement truck, my first and last pick up! The receiver is new as supplied by Ford. The square measures about 2.57 giving .07 slop both up and down and side to side. There may be receiver weldments out there that are closer to 2.50 square. Why Ford built in so much slop I don't know. They may not have considered heavy no sway hitches with rock tamers hanging on them.

Thanks for the advice on the clamp. My problem is a bent shank pin that did not look happy and I feared may break. I'm trying to transfer some of the towing forces from the shank pin to the square receiver. Especially those that rotate, or twist the hitch in the receiver. The no sway hitch is pretty rigid as it "projects" the pivit point forward. My Reese allowed the towing forces to relax around the ball and coupler joint, and allowed the trailer to sway at it's own free will. My P3 prevents this freedom and "locks" the trailer to the truck.

Correct me if I am wrong on this thinking.

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My Super Duty is a 2013 with 9000 towing miles on it. It's my retirement truck, my first and last pick up! The receiver is new as supplied by Ford. The square measures about 2.57 giving .07 slop both up and down and side to side. There may be receiver weldments out there that are closer to 2.50 square. Why Ford built in so much slop I don't know. They may not have considered heavy no sway hitches with rock tamers hanging on them.

Thanks for the advice on the clamp. My problem is a bent shank pin that did not look happy and I feared may break. I'm trying to transfer some of the towing forces from the shank pin to the square receiver. Especially those that rotate, or twist the hitch in the receiver. The no sway hitch is pretty rigid as it "projects" the pivit point forward. My Reese allowed the towing forces to relax around the ball and coupler joint, and allowed the trailer to sway at it's own free will. My P3 prevents this freedom and "locks" the trailer to the truck.

Correct me if I am wrong on this thinking.

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I understand your issue. The extra space allows for a lot of movement and even some momentum to increase the force against the draw pin.

My receiver has a fair bit of slop to it too allowing the hitch to rattle, tilt & twist freely with an audible clunk when passing over bumps & turns etc.

The hitch rider clamp has eliminated all this extra movement & locks the whole assembly down quite nicely.( I previously played with some home made shims & whatnot without much success. ) The clamp seems to be working well. Interestingly, the bolts on the Hitch-rider show some distortion now suggesting that it is being subjected to significant force as it does its job.



You might try something like this to reduce the force being applied to your draw pin.

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Thanks for the referral and pictures Evan. Robert uses a similar clamp on his boat trailer hitch. I'm going with the grade 8 bolt and shims during the rest of my trip, unless I find something to change my mind.

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Thanks for the referral and pictures Evan. Robert uses a similar clamp on his boat trailer hitch. I'm going with the grade 8 bolt and shims during the rest of my trip, unless I find something to change my mind.

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Thanks.

Good luck & have a good remainder of your trip.

We're off to the Rockies for 3 weeks ... Very soon. :-D

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David,

I've been assuming again....thought your TV was a 2000 Ford 350. (in your profile)

Safe travels, keep us posted on the results.

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Old 09-02-2013, 09:32 PM   #68
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Ops! We traded the old E350 van for a new F350 Super Duty. Nice truck and I like the way it pulls the Airstream effortlessly.

Robert: I will get my profile updated.

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I've pulled with my grade 8 bolt as a hitch pin since Crescent City Redwoods, maybe 1000 miles. Our run accross Calif, Nevada, and Utah was nice and uneventful. The Propride helps in the strong winds we encountered in eastern Calif. We are now in Tiger Run Resort in Frisco, Colorado, just north of Breckenridge. It is beautiful here.

I removed the bolt and took a look. It is straight, and shows the same wear marks that the low grade steel hitch pins were showing. However, we know the grade 8 bolt material is three, maybe four times as strong. I'm more confident with the grade 8 bolt holding my Airstream to the Super Duty.

Thanks again everyone for your help.

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I now have my stinger off. I noted the with just hand pressure, while tilting the adapter as hard as I can in the vertical plane, the pin is free to rotate freely. There should be no vertical force on the pin, I am convinced. The wear on my 4 year old pin is MUCH less than on your Grade 8 bolt, and is from pulling load only, I believe.
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