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Old 09-29-2015, 03:01 PM   #43
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Oh yes...straight line only...... with the ppp you never get lost..

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Old 09-29-2015, 03:02 PM   #44
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And the fail point is?
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Old 09-29-2015, 03:06 PM   #45
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A few PPP hitch users on this forum do not seem to comprehend that certain attributes of the PPP hitches (like its excessive weight or price) is a real deal breaker for some. I have an SUV (not a pickup) and a 200# hitch would put me over the receiver ratings. I don't care how wonderful the hitch is. It will not work for ME. It may not work for some due to high price. Similarly, if you need massive weight distribution, it seems Andersen is not a good hitch for you. That's why all these different hitches exist. To server the different needs of different folks.
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Old 09-29-2015, 08:35 PM   #46
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In any discussion of hitches, sway control, tires, or darn near anything else, when you get folks lining up under one 'best way' or another you get an opinion overload....nothing useful, IMHO.

It's like anything else. You make your choice, you pay your money, and in some manner, that's the best for you. Then YOU live with your choice, period.

Some of the stuff we beat to death on these forums is opinion. Also, as I learned a long time ago, they are like rear ends. Everyone has one, and many of them stink😀😀

Just don't get upset too much if someone differs with you. Life is too short. I'd rather be out camping in my Airstream. The rest of it is opinion....


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Old 09-29-2015, 08:49 PM   #47
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Rethink this. In your, and a few other, zeal to discredit the Andersen system you have attacked every aspect of the system.
The chains would brake under load.
The system can't return 100% load to the front axle.
The chains would ware through the hangers.
Cold flow of over stressed material.
And now you question the resonant frequency of urethane.
Howie, In the Andersen User thread, you stated you have written political campaign press releases. You stated you are aware of the use of ambiguous half truths and intentional misdirection. You stated you did use a few of then. You stated the complete slate was elected, so I gather you were suggesting that your use of ambiguous half truths and intentional misdirection was successful.

Now it seems you are trying to apply your political campaign press release expertise to this thread.

1. I have not stated the Andersen chains would break under load.
To the contrary – according to user posts, it seems that the urethane “springs” act as a “fuse” by bursting well before the chain tension reaches the breaking point.

2. I have not stated unconditionally that the Andersen can’t return 100% load to the front axle.
To the contrary – I have posted results based on user reports showing load restorations of 90% and 100% for tongue weights of 400#.
I also have posted results which show, for the majority of user reports, load restoration of 100% was not achieved.
Tongue weight and TV/TT dimensions determine whether 100% front axle load restoration can be achieved.

3. I have not stated the chains would wear through the hangers.
However, I believe some users have reported wear.

4. I have not made any statements about cold flow of over stressed material.
However, I do recall that you made a comment about a user experiencing “cold flow” of the friction material.

5. My recent post (to which I assume you’re referring) said nothing about the “resonant frequency” of the Andersen WDH.

So, it seems as though your list of five revelations is a good example of “ambiguous half truths and intentional misdirection”.

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There is a very simple test that will show the effectiveness of the system with regards to porpoising. Take a correctly setup bar system hitch and apply the commonly used shock absorber test of rocking up and down on the front of the TV. Now try that same test on an Andersen equipped rig, 100% load returned or not.
So, what will happen, and how will it tell us whether porpoising is more affected by the urethane “springs” or whether porpoising is more affected by load transfer?

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So far the only argument you have presented, that of weight transfer limitation, that has any validity has been accepted and the limitations noted to those TV that are lightly sprung.
Three of the five “arguments” you’ve attributed to me are red herrings.
“Argument# #3 (diminished load transfer capability) is supported by user reports and applies to all TVs. It is not dependent on suspension stiffness.
“Argument” #5 (damping versus load distribution) is based on my opinion that we really don’t know what causes reduced porpoising.

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Old 09-30-2015, 09:08 AM   #48
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Yes I am aware of the use of ambiguous half truths and intentional misdirection. I am spending a large percentage of my time here trying to overturn them as they are used to discredit in what I believe is a "orchestrated" attempt to discredit.

Readers need only to check my posting history, click my user name and scroll down to "more posts by HowieE" to get an indication of the sincerity and intent of my posts.
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Old 10-08-2015, 02:37 PM   #49
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I have a question. Are you towing a thirty four foot Airstream with an Anderson? What is your TV(tow vehicle)? My apologies if you have stated this previously...I have not read every post on the Anderson!
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:32 PM   #50
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[QUOTE=HowieE;1690785]--- snip ---That sound great till you are on that slick road and are subject to Wind Shear. Yes a passing semi and normal wind will be controlled but you have just described the fail point. --- snip ---/QUOTE]

Howie - do I have this correct? The failure point of the PP and Hensley hitch design is that it will hold the TV and TT in line on a slick road and is not compliant enough to allow the TV steering to use what little friction there is to control the Rig in a wind shear or similar upset force condition. Additionally, is this fail point a theory or is there practical experience? Your input is appreciated.
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Old 10-22-2015, 07:55 PM   #51
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You are correct. The Ha Ha will not ALLOW the trailer to go out of alignment with the TV.

That sound great till you are on that slick road and are subject to Wind Shear. Yes a passing semi and normal wind will be controlled but you have
just described the fail point.

If you analyze any system you can find the failure points.

Thanks for pointing this one out
Folks who do understand how the PP and Hensley work know that your thoughts are incorrect. The Hensley/PP will not allow the trailer to go out of alignment with the TV but by design the TV can obviously get out of alignment with the trailer. That is how you can make a right or left turn by using a Hensley or PP.
It is in fact the ANDRSN by it's overly simple design that wants to lock the rig in a straight line and potentially can be sketchy on slick roads when trying to turn.
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Old 10-23-2015, 12:02 PM   #52
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I have a question. Are you towing a thirty four foot Airstream with an Anderson? What is your TV(tow vehicle)? My apologies if you have stated this previously...I have not read every post on the Anderson!
Yes a 34 ft. with an Excursion 4x4 diesel.
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Sounds like a poor work of fiction to me,
"It is in fact the ANDRSN by it's overly simple design that wants to lock the rig in a straight line and potentially can be sketchy on slick roads when trying to turn."
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