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Old 06-06-2013, 11:19 AM   #85
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doug k. Reminds me of the old saturday night live character debbie downer. No matter what anyone said, she always had a downer comment.

Give it up doug.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:23 AM   #86
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Doug K. reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live character Debbie Downer. No matter what anyone said, she always had a downer comment.

Give it up Doug.
Don't think that's totally correct because Doug has recently been very upbeat when posting on this forum about his experiences with the ProPride hitch.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:46 AM   #87
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??...just how do the manufacturers determine how much weight needs to be transferred. By %, spring compression or what?
I have seen no reference in any manual for any of our TV's. The only reference to WD hitches I could find...
"Wight Ditributing hitch this is most often used for heavier trailering. this hitch type more evenly distributes the trailer load by using spring bars to shift some of the hitch weight forward onto the tow vehicle’s front axle, and rearward to the trailer’s axles."

Is 100 off, 200 off , just what is the number that statement is based on.
I was always under the impression that the closest you could get to the unladen weight with a level rig was the goal. Ours number is 100lbs.

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Old 06-06-2013, 12:44 PM   #88
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??...just how do the manufacturers determine how much weight needs to be transferred. By %, spring compression or what?
I have seen no reference in any manual for any of our TV's. ...snip......
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I am only familiar with GM products but it has been reported that Ford has reduced their front axle weight restoration to 50%. I won't quote the entire owner's manuals, but GM has reduced their FALR requirements to 0% on 1500's up to 7,000 pound trailers and 0% on 2500's up to 9,000 pounds. Apparently they took a fresh look at such things in 2010.

It is all in the current owner's manuals for the GM pickups. I do NOT know if it applies to SUVs, Vans, or Volkswagens.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:43 PM   #90
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??...just how do the manufacturers determine how much weight needs to be transferred. By %, spring compression or what?
There are TOO many variables, tongue weight, length of trailer, length of TV, weight of trailer, and many more, for a manufacture to give a single percentage.

What you are attempting to accomplish is to return the front axle close enough to unloaded height as to not change the steering geometry or reduce the front axle friction factor to the road on turns.

Historicaly when we all towed with softly sprung cars there was a consideration to get weight off the rear axle to keep it from bottoming out as you drove. The majority of the current tow vehicles, now being some form of truck, no longer have this requirement so the steering geometry becomes the main consideration.

Those that are still hung up on a 30 or 40 year old concept many have problems accepting the Andersen hitch. They may tighten the bushing to an extent that they look like they are about to fail in a futile attempt to return to yesteryear's standards.

Set the hitch up and pay attention to the height of the front axle. If you can bring your rig it into compliance you have advanced to a significantly improved driving experience. Yes there will be some situations that can't but that in itself is not a function of the hitch along but rather some combination of the variables that make up the equation.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:58 PM   #91
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I am only familiar with GM products but it has been reported that Ford has reduced their front axle weight restoration to 50%. I won't quote the entire owner's manuals, but GM has reduced their FALR requirements to 0% on 1500's up to 7,000 pound trailers and 0% on 2500's up to 9,000 pounds. Apparently they took a fresh look at such things in 2010.

It is all in the current owner's manuals for the GM pickups. I do NOT know if it applies to SUVs, Vans, or Volkswagens.

Please do quote, as I could find nothing on line in the 2013 1500 OM.


Ok...but they have no idea how my trailer would tow at 0%, that is just to far out of the box for me.
I do know that the FE weight is 2980lbs with no WD and 3640lbs with.
How do you think it would handle towing a 25' Classic 660lbs light?
I do know it's no fun at 400lbs and down right squirlly at best.

Let us know how your 1500 tows a 25' AS with 0 or 50% returned to the front axle.

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Please do quote, as I could find nothing on line in the 2013 1500 OM.
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Hi Bob - in a thread here called "Interesting I went to Camping World" I had posted 2 snapshots of my 2013 Chevy Silverado manual. I drew the conclusion from them that WD was OPTIONAL for my specific setup (which I still maintain is a logical conclusion. From these pages), however, several folks in that thread provided excellent insight in to why that conclusion is faulty. It's a great thread, I recommend it but don't know how to link to it the way others do, sorry!

FALR requirements/suggestions differ in the manual based on different criteria. Even with the ProPride (which I know from the scales and adjustments I can dial in at 0, 50, 100% FALR and anywhere inbetween), 50-60% seems to be a comfortable sweet spot in terms of level, ride, and minimum porpoising.



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Please do quote, as I could find nothing on line in the 2013 1500 OM. .......snip..........
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I am not saying that I totally agree with GM on this subject and everyone needs to evaluate their own wants and needs. However, I think they do know more about pickups than the average user. If you cannot find one, this is a direct quote from the 2012 and 2013 Silverado Owner's Manual:

Vehicle Series Trailer weight WD hitch Usage Hitch Distribution

1500 Up to 7,000 pounds Optional

1500 7,001 to 9,900 pounds Required 50%
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Hi Bob - in a thread here called "Interesting I went to Camping World" I had posted 2 snapshots of my 2013 Chevy Silverado manual. I drew the conclusion from them that WD was OPTIONAL for my specific setup (which I still maintain is a logical conclusion. From these pages), however, several folks in that thread provided excellent insight in to why that conclusion is faulty. It's a great thread, I recommend it but don't know how to link to it the way others do, sorry!

FALR requirements/suggestions differ in the manual based on different criteria. Even with the ProPride (which I know from the scales and adjustments I can dial in at 0, 50, 100% FALR and anywhere inbetween), 50-60% seems to be a comfortable sweet spot in terms of level, ride, and minimum porpoising.



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I am not saying that I totally agree with GM on this subject and everyone needs to evaluate their own wants and needs. However, I think they do know more about pickups than the average user. If you cannot find one, this is a direct quote from the 2012 and 2013 Silverado Owner's Manual:

Vehicle Series Trailer weight WD hitch Usage Hitch Distribution

1500 Up to 7,000 pounds Optional

1500 7,001 to 9,900 pounds Required 50%
I completely agree every rig will need to be set up according to individual parameters.

I just don't believe in blanket statements covering different models stating you need 0% up to 7000lbs and 50% with a trailer weight differential of 3000lbs. Something other than physics is at work here.

FWIW....25+years at GM stores before retiring.

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I talked with an RV dealer a while back, and he told me he never uses anything but a ball to tow any travel trailer with his 3/4 ton Dodge pickup.

However, A. that does not make it the right thing to do, and B. does not mean that I want to do it, and C. just because it CAN be done, does not make me want to do it just so I can do it with an Andersen hitch.

There are way too many other weight distribution hitches out there that do what they are supposed to do, and I've been towing trailer with weight distribution for way to long to just overlook the advantages of weight distribution at this time.

Basically, I learned a long time ago it is the right thing to do, and no physics have not changed.
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All I know is that using the Andersen No Sway hitch with my 2500HD is the best, easiest, cleanest, quietest, most solid, least swaying, towing experience that I have ever had. I worked in the construction industry for forty years and towed everything from work trailers to asphalt rollers with a wide variety of tow vehicles. I have towed travel trailers and a fifth wheel trailer full time for the last ten years. I have used three other weight distributing hitches and this is the only one that I actually enjoy using. The quiet alone would make me purchase another. I would not recommend it for use with a marginal or slightly overloaded tow vehicle.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:38 PM   #98
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Can anyone compare thebAndersen to a Hensley or Equal-I-Zer or EaZLift or any other commonly used setup?
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