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Old 12-26-2015, 12:50 PM   #1
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3P too much torque for Factory Reciever

I am very pleased with my Propride, however I have noticed slight deformation of the reciever, I am getting slop in the hitch. I fabricated a steel shim, but I got slop again as the deformation continued. I have a heavy load and a Ford Excursion. So I develop a lot of torque.

Question is, has anyone experienced this and what was their fix?
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Old 12-26-2015, 01:39 PM   #2
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The only fix for a bad OEM hitch receiver, no matter what hitch is used in it, is a new and higher quality receiver. Many of the OEM's are marginal at very best.
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Old 12-26-2015, 01:58 PM   #3
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Do you know which is best?
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Old 12-26-2015, 09:28 PM   #4
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I don't know which is "best" as I have done no research on the subject. But if you look at post #74 of this thread you will see how flimsy many OEM hitches are in comparison to a well made one.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...-136126-6.html

Maybe Bob will chime in and let you know the brand of the good one in the photo.
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Old 12-26-2015, 09:30 PM   #5
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Oh, it is a Reese, I missed that in looking for the post.
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Old 12-27-2015, 10:56 AM   #6
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Yes...a Reese V Tow Beast.

POI...it too has the bit-O-slop syndrome. A feature noted more with the boat, 380Lb TW, as opposed to the AS with it's 1200Lb TW.

The Reese has a sleeve welded in which has the added benefit of adding some extra thickness to the pin hole to prevent excess ware.




The StowAway hitch tightener can be seen here....boat tow set-up.



....along with my greasy ball cover remover and hitch'n guide rod...

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Old 12-27-2015, 11:13 AM   #7
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If you consider the forces from the hitch in the reciever, the design is compromising. The forces are directed to the top front and lower rear of the reciever interior.

This connection experiences extreme moment forces, it should be fully welded, not a sloppy loose connection.

Now I need to get home to see what I can do.
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Good Luck....what do we plan on welding?

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I don't know what the fix is just yet, I need to get home. I am 1500 miles from home.

Perhaps the fix is nothing more than a new hitch reciever. Although I'd love to see something with much more beef. The 30' trailer on an Excursion is a tremendous force on the reciever.
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If the trailer is heavily loaded in front and the truck heavily loaded behind the rear axle, you may be able decrease the force on the hitch connection by moving some of your load, aft in the trailer (keeping in mind at least 10% on the tongue) and forward in the Excursion.

After one especially heavy/poorly balanced load on a trip, we made an effort to do this after we got home. I try to keep the load behind the truck's axle extremely light, and carry only the lightest gear forward in our Airstream. We slide the recliners back for travel. We added a washer for more downward tilt, readjusted the hitch drop bar for the lighter load, and now use less tension on the ProPride's 1400# w.d. bars.
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Old 12-27-2015, 01:57 PM   #11
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The stock OEM receiver which came with my GMC P/U, before I hitched to our 28', was reinforced by CANAM with 2 pieces of steel plate welded to frame components exactly to prevent torsional damage to the receiver.

Andy's explanation was simple. As I recall today, he simply said the OEM receiver install is not adequate and his recommended solution was to weld some plate to improve use and safety.

Having towed thousands of miles since, I can report my receiver appears to be in perfect condition.

PM me direct if you need more info/pix on this particular fix.
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Old 12-27-2015, 02:03 PM   #12
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Reciever Failures from ALL WD's - Not Just 3Ps

For all out there reading this ....

Note that receiver failures like these result from ALL types of WD hitches due to the torque they're imparting on it to distribute the load to F & R axles - not just the ProPride & Hensley 3Ps - & any heavy non-WD load trailer can do the same.

Most of the racer guys I know who tow heavy car haulers with car(s) + parts get their reinforced & get a good quality one to start with, if the OEM/factory one is iffy.

Get yours fixed or replaced before that 1500 miles to home, to be safe.

Your shim "fix" is only closing the gap to keep the deformation going until total failure!

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I've never seen shim slop cause a receiver failure....

It's always been cracked welds and/or rust or just plain, poor design.(round tube,short mount arm)

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Old 12-27-2015, 07:52 PM   #14
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My old Airforce Sgt. once told me: "If it moves, lube it!" "If it doesn't move, paint it!"....."If it talks back, salute it!"

When starting out as an RVer, I noticed a number of receivers, rusted and beaten all to hell. So with my Toyota 4-Runner, having an aftermarket 'Hidden Hitch', I measured the clearance between the receiver and the shank. It was .064".
I therefore made two shims, of .060 steel strapping, 5/8" hole in one, and it worked out great. A modicum of play, that's all.
In keeping with my Sgt's dictum, I grease the shank and shims, everytime I install the two.
I do it now, with my Ford F-150, OEM hitch, and Reese shank.
I have been using this for over 6 years now; no problems, no rust, no beat-up receivers; just a messy assembly that I need to wear gloves, when putting them together.
Sometimes it's tough to slide the shank into the receiver, due to grease build-up, but after a trip, out it comes, easy-peasy.

I have been towing a 25' 'Cloud' so far, but traded it in for a 30' 'Cloud'. Haven't towed it yet; it's in winter storage, so I'll have to wait till the Spring to see how it handles.
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