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Old 02-08-2009, 03:23 PM   #29
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Tom, why would a SUV that claims to tow 7120# have a class II hitch receiver? Class II is rated at 3,500# and would indicate to me the WD hitch receiver (is it a WD?) on the Explorer (I have a neighbor who calls hers the "Exploder", but that's another thing about tires) is inadequate. So, it isn't "properly equipped" and may not have the 7120# rating. Transmission cooler is pretty important too. Axle ratio is low for towing. I assume you're getting this from an ad and the ad may be incorrect.

Finding payload is difficult and a lot of people on the Forum seem to ignore it too, instead concentrating on GVWR and GCVWR. FYI, 2nd gen. 2007 Tundra standard cab, 4.7L, 4wd, 1680# short bed, 1780# long bed. These payloads are higher than with the bigger cab. I would expect standard cabs on all brands would have higher payload. The problem is once you've had a bigger cab, you can't go back. They do sell 4.7L double cab too. The 2007 4.7L is 271 HP and 313 ft# torque; I expect it's the same engine as the 2006. I'm not sure when they increased the HP, but the 2002 was around 240 or 245 (maybe). Then you are getting into the giant trucks.

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Old 02-08-2009, 03:34 PM   #30
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Picking the Tow Vehicle is proving more difficult then the picking the aristream!

Here is another option.

2006 Ford Explorer Limited 4D Sport Utility
Towing Cap, 7120-lb Max (When Properly Equipped)
Trailer Tow Pkg, Class II, 4-Wire Trailer Harness & Trailer
Is this class II towing package completely useless for me? since I apparently need a IV for my 6000# trailer? how much does it cost to get that upgraded?
Engine: V8, 4.6 Liter
axle Ratio, 3.55

So this option has a slightly smaller engine then the 06 Tundra above...no transmission cooling and a smaller class II hitch....and even the axle ratio is lower....but it still gets a max tow rating of 7120# which manufacture is being optimistic here?
Oh and Im having the hardest time finding payload info for used trucks...

Tons of differing opinions on this subject and lost of pros 7 cons of different approaches.

I've towed with quite a few different vehicles, cars, stationwagons and more recently trucks.

Just a few of my own thoughts that I would throw in for consideration ..........


(1) Having experienced both, I consider a long wheel base a real plus for stable towing, although granted, it can make parking a bit more of a hassle at times.

With our last trailer, (not an AS) when I switched from a shorter wheel base minivan to a 1/2 ton extended cab truck with about 24" more wheelbase, although the minivan was fine for power, I found the towing experience like night and day - totally relaxed with the truck, always nervous with teh minivan!

In that vein I would generally opt for a pickup rather than an SUV type vehicle.


(2) The pickup with a box on the cap makes an ideal storage space to keep your trailer uncluttered - we load the back of our truck with big tupperware boxes full of clothing, food, boots, you name it, as well as lawn chairs, ladder, tools, BBQ, and sundry junk. We carry mountain bikes on a bike rack mounted in a hitch receiver on the front of the truck.

You could certainly do similar thins with a SUV, but for my part I would be too concerned about messing up that nice interior - plus, I think, space would be more limited.


(3) As far as "Overkill," it may not be the best for economy,
but for safety, and I would expect less chance of breakdown due to lighter relative loading, I prefer something with a big margin of capacity.

I have heard the old adage "Better to have more truck than you need than to need more truck than you have," and I guess I tend to go along with that.


Just my thoughts, I know there are lots of counter arguements! ................ Brian.
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Old 02-08-2009, 03:43 PM   #31
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Oh and Im having the hardest time finding payload info for used trucks...
Payload capacity will be in the manual, but by then it may be too late.

Go to Edmunds by clicking Research Used Car Prices, Specs & Reviews

Browse by Make. Specify a year. Find the model (eg, Exploder). Select body style (not all cab versions are on this site though...). Then along the left column, click 'Specs' under the 'Vehicle Details' header.
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one more question when the specs list axel ratio of 3.91 is that both axels or is that just the rear they are talking about.

thanks again to everyone.
Both front and rear differentials have the same ratio.
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Old 02-08-2009, 05:55 PM   #33
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2006 Ford Explorer Limited 4D Sport Utility
Towing Cap, 7120-lb Max (When Properly Equipped)
Trailer Tow Pkg, Class II, 4-Wire Trailer Harness & Trailer
Is this class II towing package completely useless for me? since I apparently need a IV for my 6000# trailer? how much does it cost to get that upgraded?
Engine: V8, 4.6 Liter
axle Ratio, 3.55
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Ford offered two different trailer tow packages. Standard for smaller trailers class II and the HD for class III/IV.

Both will have tranny coolers, HD alternator, turn sig flasher and battery, larger radiator if not equipped with A/C.

From there the std tow has a 4 pin trailer plug and a class II reciever with a 3500 pound tow rating.
The HD had 7 pin harness and connector with 4 pin adapter with class IV a 5000 pound rated reciever.

The unit above has the standard trailer tow package. Upgrade the reciever and you can tow over 3500 pounds safely after you add the 3.73 gears front and rear.

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BTW that year Explorer with the 4.6 and automatic can get to a 7120 tow rating. It requires a 3.73 ratio.

The ratio (3.55) of that unit is only rated to tow 3140 pounds! That is the manufacturers rating.

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Being able to more than double the tow rating, on a 4.6 Explorer, simply by going from a 3.55, to a 3.73, seems a bit much.
At least a bazillion opinions on tow vehicles, but a few things tend to stand out.
Small engines, with tall gearing= not so good
Small, lightweight, vehicles= not so good
1/2 Ton vehicles, always seem to press the limits on load capacity, irrespective of tow capacity.
Heavy frames/big brakes seem to work
An alert driver, with not to heavy of right foot, seems to work best of all, (within reason).
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Update: So I picked out a 2006 F150 XLT 4D crew cab. I've been doing all my searching on carmax and went down to check this one out. Love it as far as cab configuration and bed. It's a 5.7L V8 so i'm thinking YES im close.....its got a hitch and 4or7 plug wire coming out the back. But here is where I'm stumped....the manual says you must have a factory installed tow package otherwise you cannot exceed 5000 pounds. :< I'm going to assume that just because it has a tow hitch doesn't mean its the "full towing package" or is it? it says "tow hitch" on the window sticker but nothing about a "towing package" which i assume gets the high axle ratio and transmission cooling..... .
I like this truck. is a towing package something I can add on at the dealer? sounds like changing a trucks axle ratio is something not done as an add on. If it is possible anyone have an idea of how much?

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It is a used vehicle so many times the dealership does not know what it has.

If the trailer connector is there and it is a factory wiring this is a very strong indicator it has a towing package. BTW a towing package does not mean the truck is able to tow something. The towing package are items that are convient to make the towing experience. IE the trailer connector, larger radiator, battery and alternator if the vehicle does not have A/C - things like that. It is the power train set up that allows your TV to do the work you want.

For 2006 Ford did not make a 5.7l engine.

Making some assumptions -
Automatic
4X2
5.4l
3.55 ratio

This set up is rated to tow 8500 pounds. Chnage axle ratio or engine that tow capacity changes.

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Don't worry about the transmission or the differential gear ratio.
Just find you a 4x4 that has the towing capacity you need for your trailer and isn't to big for your parking space and isn't to bad on your fuel budget.

Just watch out. Towing capacity to most manufacturers is anything in/on or behind the vehicle excluding about 150 lbs for the driver. I think Toyota and Subaru are a couple that don't calculate towing capacity that way but double check with the manufacturer before you buy. Again, Dealers don't know much about towing and limitations. The dealers will sell you a Chevy Geo to tow your 5000 lbs trailer with and we all know that won't work.

Also used vehicle dealers don't know anything about the towing capacity of any of their used vehicles. You will have to contact the customer service number for that brand of vehicle to find out. GM still has records of my suburban on file and it is a 1989 model. Dodge had records for my 1990 Plymouth Grand Voyager I had to. I don't know how far back Ford goes or Toyota but call anyway.

Also check the owners manual to see what the limits are and it is not clear call the customer service number in the manual for the manufacturer of the vehicle your looking at.

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Old 02-09-2009, 11:16 AM   #39
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If the trailer connector is there and it is a factory wiring this is a very strong indicator it has a towing package. BTW a towing package does not mean the truck is able to tow something.

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Exactly. Our 4Runner has a connector and a hitch receiver, but I wouldn't try to tow anything larger than a small utility trailer with it. Figuring out what works means looking at the owner's manual, the vehicle itself and possibly calling the manufacturer or checking with a dealer service dep't (they should be able to access records on every vehicle ever made of the brands they sell). And be sure that hitch receiver is welded to the truck frame because if it isn't, it isn't a weight distributing hitch receiver. On a newer truck, a 4 pin trailer connector may indicate the vehicle isn't set up for a travel trailer, but only for smaller utility trailers.

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Old 02-09-2009, 11:27 AM   #40
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My $.02 on your TV decision.

Don't let the Four Wheel Drive become an issue -

It's nice, if you have it, but my preference would actually be a 2WD -



Why?
  • If it's a snow, ice, or mud issue - you probably do not need to be out in it anyway, ESPECIALLY with an AS in tow. Wait a couple of hours or days - always err in judgement on the side of safety.
  • The 4WD would decrease your MPG, albeit slightly.
  • The transfer case and front differential are areas of increased probabilities of failure and of maintenance action.
It's extremely rare that you will get into a situation that REALLY requires 4WD - now, 40 years ago, being stupid and in college, I used the 4WD in my Split Rim 1964 3/4 ton International Harvester Travel All 4 speed manual (with a granny low) a bunch - but then there was the time that my brother popped a rear axle shaft when he had it in dual low with the wheels frozen in a mud rut...

In my opinion, the most important feature of a factory installed Towing Package is the transmission cooler (assuming an automatic transmission). Towing an additional 5,000 lbs plus (the trailer) puts a terrible strain on the tranny on any vehicle - a cooler goes a long way to minimize failure probabilities in the transmission - but even with the cooler, the tranny may well be the "weak link" of the Tow Vehicle.
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A 2006 f150 with a 7 pin connecter has the tow package. Acually the tow package come with a 4 pin & 7 pin side by side. If you care to crawl under the rear of the truck,on the right side of the rear diff cover will be a metal tab on one of the cover bolts. the tag will be about 3/4" x2", on this tag will be somwe numbers. Right under the bolt shoulder will be the 1st number. you will not be able to read the number without removeing the bolt, you can however infer the first nimber. what you can see will be- .51 or .73 this means with the bolt removed it would read 3.51 or 3.73. this is the axle ratio. A 3.73 would be the best for towing. this truck will have a 5.4, Ford does not make a 5.7. Adios, John
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Look Like this F150 will work then.

Took the vin number called a ford dealer had them look up the factory specs....looks like it has a "Heavy Duty Tow Package" installed. It does have the 3.73 ratio. So i'm hoping that my tow rating is up to 9200 pounds.

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