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Old 11-07-2003, 07:55 PM   #15
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Re: Which to tow with?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dmbcdn
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We are 99% sure we are getting a 78 Excella 31' this weekend. The tow vehicles we have to choose from are:

'03 Ford Winstar
'03 Ford F150 Supercrew 4x4 with 5.4L

We would love to be able to tow with the Windstar because it has a VCR/TV for our 2 children and there would be room for the 2 dogs in the back. A local dealer told us the Windstar would be fine to tow with and have just finished hooking up their 200th Windstar recently. I asked if it was too much weight and they said no, if it is set up right. They offered to let me use a salesman's Windstar and tow a larger Airstream to show me how confident they were in their setups and in the Airstreams towablity.

I am leaning towards the pickup because it just seems like that trailer would overwhelm the van.

Can anyone offer advice or opinions?
Thank you

Don
Don, I have a trailer that is half the weight of yours, and half the length, and got very poor results towing with a 97 Ranger, with a 4.0, and a 5 speed transmission.
I traded for a Dakota with a large V8, and have had excellent results.
Problems I had with the Ranger:
1: on a windy day, the trailer seemed to drag the truck all over the road, swaying. (yes, I had sway control)
2: on rough road, the truck would "walk" back and forth over bumps, and the front end jump up and down. I think it is called "porpoising". Yes, I had load levelers.
3: very poor acceleration. I felt like I needed a calendar to clock my 0-60 times...not that I ever got to 60.
4: top speed was around 58mph, less with a headwind. The only way it would go faster was if I pushed the rig out of an airplane.
5: It always felt like the trailer was taking me where it wanted to go, not the other way 'round.
All this on tabletop-flat South Florida, imagine what it would be like in hill country.
This is a much smaller, lighter trailer than yours, and a truck built more for towing and carrying weight than your van is. And mine was supposed to be able to handle that weight.
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Old 11-07-2003, 09:15 PM   #16
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And argosy20's post (above) underscores a key point

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This is a much smaller, lighter trailer than yours, and a truck built more for towing and carrying weight than your van is. And mine was supposed to be able to handle that weight.
Although structurally built to tow loads greater than a minivan, argosy20's 1997 Ford Ranger was so aerodynamically inefficient that it used probably (a rough guess) about half its maximum 160 horsepower just pushing itself through the air.

Add any trailer 9 ft tall and 7.5-8.5 ft wide, and you can see why argosy20 had such a disappointing experience. Trucks often make up for their lousy aerodynamics with extra horsepower -- effectively hiding the problem. The '97 Ranger didn't have the horsepower, so it stunk. I wonder when the truck manufacturers are going to acknowledge that and start building trucks that take better advantage of aerodynamic design principles.

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Old 11-07-2003, 09:55 PM   #17
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And argosy20's post (above) underscores a key point

Although structurally built to tow loads greater than a minivan, argosy20's 1997 Ford Ranger was so aerodynamically inefficient that it used probably (a rough guess) about half its maximum 160 horsepower just pushing itself through the air.
Add any trailer 9 ft tall and 7.5-8.5 ft wide, and you can see why argosy20 had such a disappointing experience. Trucks often make up for their lousy aerodynamics with extra horsepower -- effectively hiding the problem. The '97 Ranger didn't have the horsepower, so it stunk. I wonder when the truck manufacturers are going to acknowledge that and start building trucks that take better advantage of aerodynamic design principles.
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A topper (cap) and a wind deflector would probably have helped, but I knew I would have been sending good money after bad, trying to make the Ranger work, and I was not in a mood at that point to invest another $1000 or so and find out it still didn't work.
The aerodynamics of my new truck make the Ranger look sleek, but it has the power to do what I need, although at a huge increase in fuel cost.
It is larger in every dimension, not by all that much, but 6" here, 3" there, 1000lbs more of weight, adds up to a much less nerve-wracking trip.
The point of my first post was, if my truck wouldn't cut it as a tow vehicle, what chance would a Windstar have? Windstar is nothing more than a Taurus with a minivan body, would you tow a Soveriegn with a Taurus?
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I think aerodynamics are only part of the reason......
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If you check in the owners manuals of the 2 vehicles that Argosy20 has used I would be willing to bet that the trailer frontal area spec. is so small on the Ranger that anything more than a pop-up would be over it.

All of the trucks I have had for towing have had a max size on frontal trailer area. The Airstreams have always been under the max.

I also have towed the same Airstream trailer with and without a cap on the truck. It does make a difference in the level of effort that the truck exerted to go down the road. The cap made it easier.

Towing with a unibody................you so funny
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Don't think so much about going as about stopping!
Just like in the snow and Ice, 4-wheel drive can get you going toooo fast to stop. Similarly, given enough time and a downhill slope, a 4.0 engine can get you going too fast to stop when that light turns red down at the bottom or someone pulls out from a stop sign without looking.
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Don't think so much about going as about stopping!
Just like in the snow and Ice, 4-wheel drive can get you going toooo fast to stop. Similarly, given enough time and a downhill slope, a 4.0 engine can get you going too fast to stop when that light turns red down at the bottom or someone pulls out from a stop sign without looking.
Strangely enough, that happened to me the other day with my tow vehicle. Someone from out of state decided to make a "sudden death" lane change in front of me, and I remodeled his car for him. Had I had the smaller truck, and trailer, the guy would have probably gone home in an ambulance, or hearse, instead of a taxi. And that is just what might have happened to him, not even going there about myself and passengers.
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