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Old 03-04-2007, 08:15 AM   #1
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Which Airstream for Lincoln Navigator?

We’re brand new, so we’d appreciate your advice. We’re about to buy a 25-foot, front-bedroom Safari, and we want to make sure our rig will be safe and fun to drive.

Our tow vehicle is a 2005 Lincoln Navigator with a 5.4L engine, a 6-speed transmission, and a “heavy duty” tow package. We’ll use an Equalizer hitch and a Prodigy brake controller. The owner’s manual says the car will tow 8,300 lbs, but the hitch says 8,900. The tongue weight is limited to about 900 lbs.

The trailer’s tongue weighs 720 lbs, the unloaded weight is 5,200, and the GVWR is 7,300…but with options that could increase to about 8,000.

We know the numbers add up okay, but we’re so close to the edge that we’re concerned. You’re the experts, so please give us your opinion. Will this rig be safe? Will we have adequate power to accelerate smoothly and handle mountain roads? Would we be smart to choose a smaller trailer…maybe the 20’ Safari?

Thanks for your help!
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Old 03-04-2007, 08:22 AM   #2
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The 25' is really IMHO (and I am biased), the most comfortable "smaller" Airstream built. For us, it's like the 3 bears story, not to hot (big), not to cold (small), just right (at least for us in terms of size).

That said, I think your Navigator has a lot of what is needed to tow a 25', except wheel base. I've towed a 25' with a similar wheelbase and in wind conditions, the 25' tended to drive the car. Yes, it was a car, and it's GVWR was less than that of your Nav, but the principles are similar.

The bottom line is that the Nav will move a 25' and on flat land, no wind or emerg situations, tow it and most likely tow it fairly well. With my saftey cap on tight, I would say 23' without question (or smaller) your Nav could tow and tow well, but the 25' is the beginning of the wide body line and can push 7000lbs of the 7300GVWR max. Add fuel, cargo and passengers to the Nav and you are really pushing the max limits of what IMHO the Nav should be exposed to.

A lot of folks follow the 80% rule to some degree. That basically means that folks don't exceed the tow rating beyond 80% of the listed rating. That works well, unless you have a vehicle that has an inflated tow rating without the hardware to justify it, which isn't really the issue in your case with the current tow vehicle.
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Old 03-04-2007, 08:36 AM   #3
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I would be concerned about the wheelbase

I would be afraid to tow with most of the SUVs because of the wheel base.
The trailer could push the rear of the tow vehicle into a jack knife. I have seen many jeep wranglers spin out in slippery conditions because of their short wheel base. Your scenario would work but I would really take it easy.
No wet roads, no quick stops on curved exit ramps, a fine tuned brake controller. It might not be worth the white knuckle factor.
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Old 03-04-2007, 08:44 AM   #4
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TL, We tow a new Safari 25'FB with an F150, crew cab...same engine/tow package that you have. Although the pickup has a slightly larger capacity than your Navigator (due to the bed vs the enclosure on the Nav), like you said the numbers work out. However the above advice is worth heeding. I do not tow on interstates - that's not what I bought the 'stream for. We stick to back roads and rarely exceed 60 MPH. I've done a few steep hills and have seen 38 mph! I've also done ten days to FL and back and easily did 60 mph with 14.25 mpg. IMHO, your rig will do it, just be careful and don't get in a hurry -- enjoy rural America! After all - that is why you bought it.
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Old 03-04-2007, 08:57 AM   #5
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Old 03-04-2007, 09:33 AM   #6
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welcome to the forums!

i would say "no". yes it can physically tow it, however, considering up and down mountain passes, big rigs whipping by at 80mph, high cross winds, it would be a big no in my book. as some have already mentioned, the wheel base is too short.

many people have posted your exact question and end up buying another tow vehicle as they're a little easier to come by than our airstreams.

do a search and you'll find more info than you can read in a week.
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Old 03-04-2007, 09:42 AM   #7
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I have an '03 Navigator with the tow package and hooked up our 2006 25' Safari FB/SE using an equalizer hitch. Drove it six miles, turned around and went back to a 3/4 ton crew cab truck for towing. It looked good on paper, but didn't work out in real life
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You basicly have an F-150 with a different cab. The Explorer and the Ranger share the same frame. The Expedition/Navigator and the F-150 share the same frame. The Excursion and the F-250/350 share the same frame.
THe F-150 is border line at 8000 lbs you are at 96% capacity at 8300lbs rating and 90% at 8900lbs. Your trailer will weigh nearly a ton more than your TV. Make sure you use the boost setting on the prodigy. Be careful with this combination.
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Thank you!

Thanks to everyone that posted comments! Based on your advice, we're going to pass on the 25-foot AS and look at a smaller model instead. So please watch for Ver 2.0 of our request for help! And in the meantime, thanks again for helping us to stay safe on the road!
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Can our car really tow this trailer (Ver 2.0)?


Based on the excellent advice we received on this forum, we’ve decided not to buy a 25-foot AS. Can you please take a minute and let us know what you think of the following combination? Your advice will be appreciated!

Tow vehicle: 2005 Lincoln Navigator with a 5.4L engine, a 6-speed transmission, a “heavy duty” tow package, and a 119-inch wheelbase. This car is very similar to the Ford Excursion. We’ll use an Equalizer hitch and a Prodigy brake controller. The owner’s manual says the car will tow 8,300 lbs, but the hitch says 8,900. The tongue weight is limited to about 900 lbs.

We’re looking at the 20-foot AS: the overall length is 20’ 10”, the tongue weighs 600 lbs, the unloaded weight is 3,965, and the GVWR is 5,000.

You’re the experts, so please give us your opinion. Will this rig be safe? Will we have adequate power to accelerate smoothly and handle mountain roads?

Thanks for your help!
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:42 AM   #11
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de ja vu

that sounds like more of a possible match. with that said, you should also perform a search so you can understand all of the issues involved and why the combination would/would not work. a little homework goes a long way on this forum.

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You’re the experts, so please give us your opinion. Will this rig be safe? Will we have adequate power to accelerate smoothly and handle mountain roads?
there may be "experts" on here (i'm not one of them) BUT YOU ARE THE ONE WOULD BE DRIVING the combination, so i wouldn't rely on any "experts" opinion until i did my own homework.
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:46 AM   #12
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In a word - yes. From the weights and specs you give, you are well withing a comfortable safety margin. I've towed more with less and felt very safe and stable. The terms you use - "accelerate smoothly" may need defining. It will do fine power wise in my opinion, but don't expect the acceleration of a diesel in the mountains.
You'll do fine with a 20' trailer.
BTW - I'm no "expert" either. But then, in most cases, I tend to shy away from people that proclaim themselves experts.
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:56 AM   #13
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IMHO ( in my humble opinion )

Hi Tituslivy ( dunno your name )
I was one of the forum members who responded to your last post.
I have a 20' trailer. You should have no problem towing a 20'. It is widely
recommended that you don't exceed 80% of your towing capacity( you have to include the weight of passengers and cargo in the tow vehicle ).
As far choosing a trailer length.......Any trailer is too big on the road and too small at the campsite (LOL ). But we also have to consider your traveling
habits. A smaller trailer is better if you intend to use your trailer often like
I do. A larger trailer is better if you only use it a few times a year or it is going to be living all summer in one place. Family size also comes into play.
Sorry for stating the obvious ( and probli my spelling ) Dave
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hi titus welcome to the forums...

-first don't make major buying decisions based on 2 short hours of online replies.

if this post were titled "towing with a lincoln navigator" MANY would chime in with experience over the next few days.

-second, starting several threads, all on the SAME tow vehicle isn't a great idea.

this is all one topic 'towing with a lincoln navigator' and what model/length trailers are matched with this suv.

-third, hitch choice matters too. while the nav doesn't have a long wheel base, using a hensley hitch WILL improve handling significantly

so read about the hitch choices too.

-fourth, read some of the many threads here already posted on this topic.

great, long, complete and USEFUL answers have already been typed. they apply to your situation, but you need to find them....

so search navigator or look at the towing threads or the 25 ft trailer threads.

robertsunrus? tows with a navigator and is very happy.

many folks tow with the f-150 ford/lincoln truck matched to a 25 and are also happy.

there is no question a 3/4 ton tv improves the towing experience.

engine, tranny, wheel base, capacity, tires, hitch type, gear, destination, usage and several other issues all must be considered.

again welcome and have fun shopping.

IF you really really like the 25 foot size and plan to use your trailer much,

GET THE TRAILER YOU LOVE, and sort out the tv upgrade or mods that will work best.

buy a trailer smaller than you really want/need and next year you will be buying again x2 (trailer and tv)

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