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Old 10-04-2014, 08:17 PM   #15
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I hear ya. It's all about demand. As I remember the demand for 3/4 ton suburbans was down to 2500 per year. If GM can't make any profit then it's history.
Pretty sure CAFE had something to do with it as well.
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Old 10-05-2014, 02:52 AM   #16
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The problem is large SUV's are considered a car instead of a truck and they are in a different category as far as EPA regs. I guess this is why the CAFE standards hit the SUV's harder than trucks. This is also why vehicles like the Excursion are considered worst in class. You are compared to sportscar like crossovers etc.

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Old 10-05-2014, 07:41 AM   #17
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I think they are including pickups in CAFE now The TV situation is gonna get worse. I think that is part of the reason for the big jump in prices of trucks.
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Old 10-05-2014, 09:10 AM   #18
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In this regard with CAFE, Ford is the ahead of other US manufacturers with the introduction of turbo charged small displacement engines that can also put out the power when needed but deliver better mileage solo. Dodge is attempting the same with their EcoDiesel. GM, Toyota and Nissan will have to catch up. RV manufacturers will have to adapt to the change in tow vehicles and trailers will probably have to be more "Europeanized" to save weight and be more aerodynamic. I'm not sure what will happen to the state of Class A, B and C RVs with their Ford V10s. Watching the Tour de France and seeing all the smaller trailers and Class A/C on the side of the road tells me it can be technically done its just whether the US RV market will accept that style of RV. I can imagine Airstream will have to develop lighter trailers too going back to the earlier days when they were lighter than current models. Many SOBs with similar lengths in the 26 to 32 foot range even with slides are lighter than similar Airstream model lengths but SOB aerodynamics and their high profiles override that advantage.
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Old 10-05-2014, 09:21 AM   #19
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Deja Vue. Remember the Airstream Caravelle of the 1980s? It was shown behind a 4 cyl Ford Fairmont. God help us! Maybe its time again for Airstream to return to its roots of light weight, low drag trailers. Maybe there is a market for V6 towables. Many RV manufactures are advertising "lite". My 24' Trade Wind twin has a full bath, sleeps three, reasonable galley and weighs about 4100 lbs with about 500 lbs tongue weight (my estimates.) I can tow it with our 06 MDX V6.

So as our favorite tow vehicles fall by the wayside, the towable RV industry will have to take that into account.

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Old 10-05-2014, 11:17 AM   #20
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It would seem to me the lack of a 3/4 ton SUV would be a fatal flaw in the large bunkhouse travel trailer business plan. So what if it sleeps 8 if you can only seat 5. I can get 7 in my Supercrew, but not leagaly. Those things are built for work, not for play.

I'm just a newbe, but I tow regularly with F series trucks, backhoes, skid steer, cargo trailer. I'm a diesel guy, towed a camper with a Honda Pilot and didn't like that at all. I can't see how I'm going to tear apart my Airstream with a truck. If you drive responsibly and respect your load, what's the difference between a diesel truck and a gas car?

If it's going to tear apart an Airstream, there should be SOBs spewed down the highway.

I belive the task of finding and rebuilding 10-15 year old Excursions has just begun. It just seems silly to be towing a 2015 trailer with an old truck.
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Old 10-05-2014, 11:22 AM   #21
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Unfortunately there are "experts" here who have told me that my 3/4 ton truck is too big for pulling any AS, and that it is tearing my trailer apart. It was actually suggested that I own too much truck for a 34' AS! Take that advice with a grain of salt...
I in fact own a 34' Airstream, and I am here to tell you they are either ignorant, or misinformed.
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Old 10-05-2014, 12:10 PM   #22
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We just recently bought an '03 F250 SD with a 7.3 Power Stroke down in Houston. We bought it specifically as a TV for the AS. While we were shopping around, we went to three of the specialty diesel truck shops in the Houston area. We saw three or four fairly decent Excursions with the 7.3, which was the only engine we were looking at. I'd suggest that shopping around a little with the Diesel truck fanatics might find a few SUVs with big diesels
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Old 10-05-2014, 04:02 PM   #24
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I sold my V10 Excursion last Winter. Still regret it. It was a great truck, though kinda big for me to drive around town. I wish I had bought an Expedition though I went way smaller. What I have now works but it is not a great tow vehicle just a falr one.
For those with large families it seems a full size van makes sense.
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Deja Vue. Remember the Airstream Caravelle of the 1980s? It was shown behind a 4 cyl Ford Fairmont. God help us! Maybe its time again for Airstream to return to its roots of light weight, low drag trailers. Maybe there is a market for V6 towables. Many RV manufactures are advertising "lite". My 24' Trade Wind twin has a full bath, sleeps three, reasonable galley and weighs about 4100 lbs with about 500 lbs tongue weight (my estimates.) I can tow it with our 06 MDX V6.

So as our favorite tow vehicles fall by the wayside, the towable RV industry will have to take that into account.

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KJRichie We were thinking the same thing at the same time!
I have a 24ft Caravelle 3500lbs on the axles 600lbs tongue weight can't imagine pulling with a 4cly.
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Hey. I bought an Ecodiesel in July 2014, and pulled my 1972 26' Argosy 3500 miles this summer. Easily averaged 20MPG while pulling. We were floored by the mileage.
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I couldn't imagine pulling a 5900 lb Mobile Scout box with a 112 hp/210 lb ft torque 351 with a 79 E-350 Ford Club Wagon van...but in the day, that was a decent rig.
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Old 10-05-2014, 06:43 PM   #28
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If you would like a big spacious SUV to tow with check out the 2015 Ford Expedition Max. It has been mildly reworked for 15 and now has the 3.5 Echoboost drivetrain from the F150.

Compared to the old Excursion it has independent suspension front and rear which makes it massively more stable with a fraction of the road shock. It rides and handles better than any pickup you can buy and seats 7 or 8 comfortably.

The 18" tires it comes with are not great so either change them or go to the 20" wheel option. I hope this helps.

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