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Old 05-17-2014, 02:53 AM   #29
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For us, the Dodge 2500HD is a dedicated tow vehicle as we have more efficient Mercedes diesels as daily drivers.

The Cummins is still breaking in. I have seen 18 on the highway not towing and even 13+ when towing. I use pencil and paper to figure the mileage as the lie-o-meter is always optimistic, but never based upon reality.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:48 AM   #30
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The Dodges are great trucks, I would proudly pull my AS with one, my point was that monster trucks are not NEEDED to pull an AS,

And these trucks are monster pullers.

I really would be proud to pull with one of these.
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:31 AM   #31
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The Cummins reflects the "Get 'er done" phrase completely.
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My two cents:

We pulled a 25' with the EcoBoost - loved it, Platnum Crew Cab. Then sold the 25' and bought a 30', took it on one trip and sold the Eco F150 and bought an F250 6.7 F250 Diesel, love it EXCEPT for the diesel maintenance is a total pain to me - adding and remembering DEF, oil changes $115.00. Dual fuel filters, draining water from the fuel so on and so forth. If we keep the AS (might sell it and get a gas motorhome, we are going to sell the Diesel and go to an F250 Gas. Will not consider GM or Chrysler for political reasons. So, for you, I would go with an F250 GAS. In my opinion it's always better to make the mistake of going to big than too small. And the price is not much higher.
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Thanks for your responses. I have purchased a 2014 F-150 Ecoboost Platinum, with the Max Tow Pkg. I will have very little in the truck, so not having the Max Payload Pkg was not much of an issue for me.
I get my '15 27FB, w/2 ducted A/C units, at the end of this month.
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Excellent choice. Super truck ! Good efficient engine and with that tow package you are set. Look inside the door at your payload limit.
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Not really mentioned with emphasis is the difference in braking capacity between a vehicle designed as a 1/2 ton capacity vehicle and one rated 3/4 ton capacity. Also, the eco-boost is a gas engine which will provide very little back pressure when the throttle is released going down a mountain. Thus the 1/2 ton brakes have to do the entire job.

Our 3/4 ton Cummins diesel has around 22 to one compression and an engine exhaust brake. I do not need to touch the brake pedal coming down the mountains.....

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Your statement regarding no back pressure on the Ford Ecoboost is wrong. The new Ford Torqueshift transmission has a Tow/Haul selection that does just that. Tap on the brake and it downshifts to assist in braking. The F-250's have had that since 2004. My 2008 gas rig does just fine down steep hills towing our AS; the Torqueshift works perfectly.
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The 3.0L gas engine compression ratio is about 10 to 1 versus 6.7L and roughly 22 to 1 on the diesel. The engine is doing the braking. Which one provides more drag when power is removed?
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Pappy and Switz, you are both correct. A diesel has more engine back pressure than a gas so it can be used on hills to slow decent. The Ford transmission in the gas trucks has the tap twice "take over" circuitry to provide a geared decent. It is part of their towing ability, a standard feature but activates its full feature set when actually towing. There are two videos, one on how to activate it and this one on it actually demonstrated in use. Here is the video describing the Ford tech. Go to 2:19 on the video regarding decent. He calls it engine braking but you can hear it shifting so it is transmission braking more specifically:

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For what it is worth I've been very happy with the engine/transmission in my F150 Echoboast in the mountains pulling a '13 28 International. In tow/haul mode the transmission downshifts appropriately and I'm never riding the brakes coming down mountain passes. Not a lot of miles out west but still quite a number of decent passes in MT, CO and other western states.
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I have a friend who has tried to tow with a 1/2 ton Ford. He is now looking for a different rig. I am a Cummins fan through and through. Good milage, dependability, power. I personally would buy a new Ram 3500.

My advice, stay away from short wheelbase, make sure your power plant can handle the heat, literally, EGT will burn things down, and buy something with big brakes. A lot of rigs can get the Airstream moving, but can they get it stopped, or keep it from doing a 180 on a freeway?

Nissan and Toyota are both coming out with the V8 Cummins option; check them out.
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Fact is,,,,,,

A person does not NEED a $60K tow vehicle to tow an Airstream, even the new heavy ones.

Reading one of these threads will make a person think that all roads are continuously going up a big hill or down a big hill.

If a person is concerned with ultimate stability, he or she should avoid trailers like Airstreams and get an SOB fifth wheel.

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A person does not NEED a $60K tow vehicle to tow an Airstream, even the new heavy ones.
I agree with you J. Morgan on this point. Naturally a bigger vehicle is going to tow with less of an effort but the point is what is NEEDED. In that it is clear that specs answer best.

Many people enjoy bigger vehicles, diesels, etc. In my case, I want as few things as possible. I dumped my year old TDI VW sportwagen after getting the truck. I had it paid for. I lost 5K in the trade-in for the one year but...My plan was to keep it but I realized I could live with the truck alone and, for what the gas savings was going to give me, it would be taken by the insurance cost alone! The larger trucks are more difficult to use on a daily basis- ride rougher, harder to park in lots, etc. Past the need aspect, druthers may lead a person to a larger vehicle but...

I believe we are at the tipping point of diesels for the everyday person. Consider that in my area Diesel fuel is 11% higher than Regular gas. Diesels on average get 30-35% better efficiency. Subtract that fuel cost percentage and it is 19-24% better cost efficiency. Then, figure the difference in cost of the vehicle and maintenance (special oil, Urea, etc) and it comes out to the same or less. In other words, unless you are a mega traveler for many years, it currently is becoming more difficult to justify a diesel on longevity alone. Even on the power consideration, an ecoboost provides big torque. My dad works on diesels and is an encyclopedia on diesel and electrical stuff. He thinks that most of todays diesels are good engines but a few comments. He likes the Mitsubishi diesels- quietness and dislikes the Perkins diesel for their plastic cooling systems as they constantly break (more found in generators). Cummins engines are excellent. The only thing he said about them is that for years they made a horrible error on valve adjustment design and caused all kinds of engine failures for road equipment vehicles. They made a fortune as well as the repair companies on Cummins. So, who is best waxes and wanes like anything. He says he does not know if they ever changed it. His guess is yes.

I would wait for this new truck with aluminum. They are saying that the weight savings will make its way to a carrying capacity increase. It just keeps getting better in that regard.
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