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Old 05-06-2014, 08:43 PM   #15
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LOL, Your friends may like the bigger bed but they may not have to live with it- crawling over it to the lockers, etc. Also, the lounge section is really important to me as a mostly solo camper. I do not like to sit as much as a dinette and relax watching Television at night but rather like my sofa or in your case, a lounge. The biggest difference to me between the 27 and 28 is the primary seating arrangement- dinette front and center (27) and the dinette to the side (28). Oh, and the 28 has another thing I prefer - small window in the bedroom versus the pano window. I keep my drapes pulled most times and go outside to see the surroundings. Plus the heat radiation is worse. For me the choice would be between the 28 and the bigger classics with sofas IF I WERE BUYING NEW or had lots of used choices. Well, everyone has their own preferences. Enjoy.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:05 PM   #16
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If you order with max tow package, it comes with 3.73 rear end and some additional HD tow options...that is the 12,000 max weight tow package, I believe...need to double check with an expert ford truck guy...
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:31 PM   #17
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In the end...it's your choice...

I see the skepticism of Echoboost, push for Dodge, Chevy, Tundra, gas, diesel and 1500 vs 2500; in the end, everyone has an opinion. I know I have pulled Airstreams back and forth from Texas to Montana and Canada each year for the past 8 years, with side trips to Texas coast, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Idaho, WA, OR, SD, NM, AZ, ND, IL, and CA. The F150 short bed Echoboost works just fine with 25' and will work nicely for 27 or 28 also...as others will attest.




As for cost of "new" vs 2012' model AS; you Really need to check around...2015's are coming out and there are better deals on some new 14's in stock than used...we know...I found 3 dealers with "new" pricing better than several recent models including 10, 11, 12, and 2013, 25' AS models; we have been following over past 6 months....you need to do your homework and call the bigger dealers and discuss your interests with sales management...but, you better ready to move on the deal and put down deposit. There is a thread on the Forum which talks about dealing strategies on new AS's with several inputs...but that's another post.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:38 PM   #18
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I am surprised that no one has suggested a van. I initially towed the 31' Sovereign with a shortie 3/4 ton Dodge 350 gasser. It did great, and the van was my daily driver, plus triple duty as a pickup truck when needed. The short overhang made for an ideal tow vehicle - the ball was only a couple of feet behind the axle.


Whichever vehicle you decide on be sure to make it a four door. The accessible rear seat will be needed for dog related stuff.


If you have never owned one, I would shy away from an 8' bed unless you really need one...the extreme opposite of the shortie van mentioned above.


Get the vehicle which you are most comfortable in. I once sold a Chevy pickup with only 3,000 miles on it simply because the seat did not fit my butt.


I like Ford seats - your choice may vary, just make sure it is the right one for you.


Instrument layout is another point that is important to me. Understand what your instrument scan is and where your particular "home point" in the scan is. The focal point of your personal scan may affect your choice of vehicle.


As far as your travel plans go, check out TAHI for a great long weekend getaway for you and your squeeze du jour.

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Luck - let us know of your choices - and pics...lots of pics.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:43 PM   #19
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agree...short bed PU with supercrew is a great combo for pu.
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As for cost of "new" vs 2012' model AS; you Really need to check around...2015's are coming out and there are better deals on some new 14's in stock than used...we know...I found 3 dealers with "new" pricing better than several recent models including 10, 11, 12, and 2013, 25' AS models; we have been following over past 6 months....you need to do your homework and call the bigger dealers and discuss your interests with sales management...but, you better ready to move on the deal and put down deposit. There is a thread on the Forum which talks about dealing strategies on new AS's with several inputs...but that's another post.
Regarding new/used--I've talked to several big dealers...the tie-breaker is the expensive add-ons that you won't get from the dealers....and i mean the REALLY expensive add-ons. I had one deal @ 5% over invoice, and it still didn't add up, considering the options.
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Dennis how funny you mention a van. I've been pondering towing with my 90 G20. I just don't think it's up to the task. It's considered a 3/4 ton but has 5 lug wheels and a 308 rear. And it's a 350 and has marginal brakes. I have no knowledge of other mfg's vans.


If I were to get another van in this similar vintage, I'd look out for the ever rare 1 ton with a big block. Eight lug wheels, bigger trans, bigger brakes. In the something newer department I'd get the latest Express I could, though I wish they came with a bigger engine than the 6.0 .
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Old 05-07-2014, 05:33 AM   #22
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Once again, you REALLY need to shop around....I purchased our new AS, below invoice, and by talking directly with service/parts guys at 2 dealers, was able to get them to match Amazon price for add on options; now, installation prices can get you, I agree...~$135-140/hr., but cost of options came down substantially when I dealt direct vs through sales. For instance, hitch: BlueOx 1000 new; Dealer original cost installed was $1090; Amazon unit cost was $564...ish....ended up getting it installed $700ish.
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Darn you guys! All this TV chatter got me researching, and then wanting a new F350 diesel V8 all decked out. Too bad it would cost as much as the new AS!
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Old 05-16-2014, 07:20 AM   #25
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On our first trip in the 2013 25FB International Serenity, we realized the error in my selection process (the wound was rubbed daily with salt by the wife to remind me of that short coming). We also discovered that the vehicle I had (2007 Mercedes ML320,CDI diesel) was okay bringing the new empty trailer home, but was overloaded ready for camping.

Thus I decided to go with a 2012 Dodge 2500HD Cummins diesel automatic to have all the towing power and weight capacity for any Airstream except older 34' models. The Cummins engine history has shown it will out last both the Ford diesels and GMC Duramax diesels nearly two to one for time and miles. So now the 2014 Classic model 30 and truck weigh just over 18,000 pounds (about 9,000 pounds each) almost ready to camp. Both vehicles have additional weight capacity for more "stuff" and there is lots of head room on the combined towing weight limit of 20,000 pounds.

Since we start out from Phoenix for nearly every trip, nearly any direction we go to get out of town puts us in the mountains, so we converted the trailer to disc brakes while adding a substantial solar system on the roof.

This setup works well for us.
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Old 05-17-2014, 12:59 AM   #27
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What would you buy???

When I am towing 26k gross with one of my work trucks a big engine is helpful on the grades, but Airstreams are relatively light and aerodynamic, even the newer ones,

IMHO, a gigantic engine in a truck pulling an Airstream might be considered a luxury, but isn't needed.

My 5.3 Chevy truck will pull my 6,500 lb 31 footer 70 MPH between Little Rock and Tucson on ANY grade, even up Texas Canyon and get between 10 and 12 mpg on the trip. (12 at 60, 10 at 70)

If a person can pull 70 MPH on more least 99% of the roads,,, how bad do you need a gigantic engine to attack the other less than 1%?

I own a couple of Dmax trucks, a few Ford V 10s, and I have owned a few 454 equipped trucks, a Dodge Cummins,,,,

I have worked with little trucks hauling loads to the under CDL limit for a long time, and my experience says that while a big motor can be nice from time to time, it is not a requirement, or even always the smart move for towing an Airstream.
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My little single cab <$21K 08 only weighs about 5,500 lbs vs. what,,, about 8.5K for a crew cab loaded Diesel?

This makes a difference, in a few areas.
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