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Old 10-13-2006, 01:21 PM   #15
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As for my take on the MXT, good looking truck, lots of capabilites, some, unless I'm hauling a tractor trailer, would be fairly useless.
I agree, for a tow vehicle it is for the testosterone challenged IMHO.

Afterall, we are towing Airstreams, the easiest, most refined travel trailers on the road, not 14' wide mobile homes!
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Old 10-13-2006, 07:24 PM   #16
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66 over hello ,

As a proffesional mechanic technician by trade I do know alot about alot of vehicals from most manafactures .I know alot about the H-2 ,and it is what it is ,its not an H-1 nothing under the body is H-1 ,but it is a good offroad truck
very capable 4 wheel drive ,the tires and approach angles and short rear
overhang make it good for trails.Ive been 4 wheeling for 30 +years using
c-js ,landcruisers scouts wagoneers ,you wouldn't believe where we took the 64 wagoneer sometimes ,very seasoned off roader so I look at the H-2 for its trail abilities ,I would agree that the drivetrain is good ,you can break the rear axle .So I am not saying that your H-2 is poor ,its not at all ,but it does
have the GM drivetrain ,and so what ? it works right? thats the main thing.
As for the MXT what do you know about it ,and its 4 wheel capabilitys by
looking at the photo? Have you driven one offroad ? I can't see how you can
say what you have about it by a picture .IH has built some of the heaviest duty trucks ever produced ,thats a fact ,im sure this vehical is quite capable of good offroad travel .I did post that the H-2 does have good off road abilities ,but Im not going to say its the greatest thing ever made.

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My comment on the MXT was based upon the appearance of low ground clearance, minimal brakover angle, and reduced departure angle, at least as compared to a Hummer. You are correct, however, that I haven't looked at the spec's. I'm not sure whether it comes in 4WD or not. It does have "Hummerish" good looks however.

As for the H2 - yeah it's not an H1. That's obvious. It certainly is not a perfect off road vehicle for all situations (e.g. it's much wider than a Jeep). Like Jeeps, I'm sure it can benefit from aftermarket goodies like front lockers, more ground clearance, bigger tires, etc. Still it is a very capable vehicle in stock form.

I guess I just get purtubed when people dismiss the H2 as basically a Tahoe. Yeah, it's got a GM powertrain (actually from the Escalade, not the Tahoe), and it shares part of it's frame and suspension and much of the electrical goodies (radio, gauges, etc.) with the Tahoe, but the frame and suspension do have several unique parts. It's got an a rear air suspension, a different full time 4WD system, a locking rear differential, a different brake system with an off-road specific traction control mode, underbody skid plates, a totally unique body, etc. etc. It's just a slap in the face to call it a thinly disguised Tahoe. In light of your recent post I'm sure that's not what you meant, I just sometimes get a bit defensive. You'd think that driving such a polarizing vehicle I'd eventually get immune to such comments - maybe in time. Thanks for your understanding.
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Old 10-13-2006, 07:54 PM   #17
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The Suburban is the one with a bag of money on the back seat...
H1 and Escalade are now folding money challanged.

Subs are the best all around.

Talk about a brick pulling a bullet! Airstream>>>H1
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Old 10-13-2006, 08:17 PM   #18
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Hello 66 overlander,

I agree with you that the H-2 is not a plain old tahoe ,and is much more .
I meant no disrespect towards your ride .Sometimes the statement that
(its a tahoe drivetrain ) is generic in nature and by no means meant to insult.
you know what you have ,be proud of it .

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Subs are the best all around.

Talk about a brick pulling a bullet! Airstream>>>H1
I agree on both accounts, even if you substitute the H2 for the H1. I have often referred to my setup as a brick pulling a bullet. But I still love it, and the great thing is that the mileage doesn't drop all that much when towing!
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Old 10-13-2006, 11:38 PM   #20
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Hi, Don't take this personal, but so many Hummer owners relate their vehicles with the millitary Hummers. Mostly they just look similar. Not the same vehicle. When they brag about their off road abilities, in which they have never personally done, but only read about, I tell them to follow me through the forest and as soon as I go between those two trees with my Jeep CJ-5 the contest is over. Hummers are good vehicles for what they really are. And Hummer's biggest draw back is the owners that bought them to intimidate Miata owners.

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Hi, Don't take this personal, but so many Hummer owners relate their vehicles with the millitary Hummers. Mostly they just look similar. Not the same vehicle. When they brag about their off road abilities, in which they have never personally done, but only read about, I tell them to follow me through the forest and as soon as I go between those two trees with my Jeep CJ-5 the contest is over. Hummers are good vehicles for what they really are. And Hummer's biggest draw back is the owners that bought them to intimidate Miata owners.

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People buy Hummers for a variety of reasons. It frustrates me that some assume we all bought them for the same reasons - stereotypes are bad. It also frustrates me that some only buy their Hummers to "bling" them up, like 26" wheels are ever gonna go off road. But those sales do keep the volume up enough to keep the vehicle around for others like me to buy. The H2 is a capable off road vehicle, but it does have it's limitations - I've got a few scratches to prove it.

I also get it the other way - I get so many comments like "Oh off roading in an H2 - that's like when you back over the flower bed" - yeah right. Not the best photo, but here's one of me up on 3 wheels at the Hummer Homecoming at the AM General Proving Grounds this year (before I got it dirty):
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Old 10-14-2006, 07:05 AM   #22
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Hummer perspective....one of the AM General honchos had a second home in Telluride and I've seen photos of H-1 prototypes on Black Bear Road. This is a serious 4x4 venue......In the late ninties, we had 12 H-1's particpate in the Telluride 4x4 Tour and I had the opportunity to drive one. No sweat, even on narrow trails. The H-2 is an excellent off-road vehicle.

However, when I was looking at TV's, the H-2 lacked the towing capacity that I felt comfortable with.

You want to have some real fun, check out the trailerable sailboat forums. You'll see threads asking, "Can I tow my Catalina 22 with a Honda Civic?".
I kid you not!
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Hi, Don't take this personal, but . . . I tell them to follow me through the forest and as soon as I go between those two trees with my Jeep CJ-5 the contest is over.

Bob
Hey, in keeping with the theme of good natured jest. How's that CJ-5 do pulling your Airstream?

Yeah, I already knew you had another vehicle for that purpose.

At least in my case the H2 is a vehicle that does a variety of things reasonably well. How does the old saying go "Jack of all trades, master of none"?
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Hey, in keeping with the theme of good natured jest. How's that CJ-5 do pulling your Airstream?

Yeah, I already knew you had another vehicle for that purpose.

At least in my case the H2 is a vehicle that does a variety of things reasonably well. How does the old saying go "Jack of all trades, master of none"?
Hi, 66 Overlander. I bought my Jeep brand new in 1978. It had a 304 V-8, manual trans, manual transfer case, and manual locking hubs. This was a serious Jeep. No foo- foo junk. I used it for ten years and sold it in 1988. As for towing; I towed a 1959 Ford Galaxie from San Luis Obispo to Lakewood, Ca. The car weighed more than the Jeep and the jeep brakes did all of the stopping. Driveing at freeway speeds on the freeways with a very very short 83" wheel base, counter acting they sway of the towed car by anticipated reverse steering for several hundred miles, I can tell you, I'm the king of white knuckle driveing. [Never again] [Young and stupid] My other towing experience, although relatively short, I rented a Bobcat from a local rental yard. God knows how much a Bobcat weighs, but I think the trailer they put the Bobcat on weighed more than my Jeep CJ-5 by it's self. As for towing an Airstream, Not even a Bambi, H*ll no. But I wish I still had the Jeep just for the purpose of getting my trailer in and out of my driveway.

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Blinging a H/1-2-3...
See the movie "CARS"
At the end, I think during credits...the 'Jeep' guy is giving off road class to a group of SUVs,
There is a Hummer in the group, all blinged up, 22"+ wheels etc...he is tip-toeing, whinning about getting off the pavement, saying he has never been off road.

There is very little time to laugh during the show, so much to watch.
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I rented an H-2 for a week last year in Colorado - we had reserved a standard sedan but heavy snow required 4x4 and Hertz was having a special on H-2s, so away we went. I loved it; the wife loved it; the kids really loved it. Took us everywhere we even thought about going despite icy conditions. I'd love to have one but am not certain about the towing ability if we ever got a AS with a slideout, which we hope to do in the future. Still, the H-2 was great and I'd get one in a second except for my towing concerns.
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