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Old 06-10-2015, 04:43 AM   #71
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RAM Air Ride Suspension is the way to go. Love it.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:32 AM   #72
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The full independent suspension Airstream will follow these nicely when a deer runs out in front of you, and you need a quick steering maneuver to miss it. Or other things in your path. A safety element that solid axle, high center of gravity tow vehicles cannot match.
I don't want to start an argument here, and just want to share my experience. I have been driving for more than 25 years, and in that span have been in multiple accidents. I have heard your argument about better handling vehicles mentioned by multiple folks on this forum, and it made me ask myself the following questions:

1) How many times have I managed to evade an accident by making sudden lane changes or emergency maneuvers?

2) Would I not be in any of the accidents I was in, had I had a better handling vehicle, with lower center of gravity, and more advanced suspension?

My answer to 1) is, only once. And it was actually last year. I was driving and a creature jumped in front of me. I made a sudden lane change at highway speed (an instinctive reaction), and avoided an accident. My point is this has happened only once in 25 years of driving. Also, I was driving a 6000# full size SUV with over 10 inches of ground clearance, and I still managed to safely do the lane change.

My answer to 2) is, no. I cannot think how a vehicle with a lower COG and better handling would stop any of the accidents I was in. Actually, the only loss of control accident I had was with a sporty sedan.

This makes me question the importance of handling attributes in accident avoidance (towing or not). I would love to hear the experience of others folks, and see if its any different than mine.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:33 PM   #73
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The two us commuting in rural Minnesota over the years we have hit four deer and avoided many, many more with our sporty sedans.

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Old 06-10-2015, 05:01 PM   #74
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This makes me question the importance of handling attributes in accident avoidance (towing or not). I would love to hear the experience of others folks, and see if its any different than mine.
Interesting post, and truthfully I might very well have chimed my agreement with you...until two summers ago. My wife and I were on a trip up north on a two-lane highway, and being unfamiliar with the area were running low on fuel and getting a bit antsy. Both my wife and I got preoccupied with a possible gas station and I didn't notice the car stopping in front of me waiting to turn left. (A classic error if you're a pilot: when there's a problem, the pilot files and the co-pilot diagnoses...but I digress). Suffice it to say I was heading directly for a rear end collision with an 11,000 lb rig and no way of stopping in time...and it was my fault.

Maybe I was just lucky, I don't know, but I hit the brakes and cranked the steering wheel hard to the right and managed to just miss the car by passing to the right on the gravel shoulder doing nearly 50 MPH before pulling back on to the blacktop. Easily one of the scariest things that's happened to me in 40 years of driving. After recovering, I was absolutely shocked at how well controlled our rig handled. I never imagined I'd ever have to push my rig to the max, but I did that day and have thanked the towing gods ever since for having the privilege of owning extremely well behaved towing rig.
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Old 06-10-2015, 05:14 PM   #75
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What vehicle for towing an Airstream 25'

Fully independent suspension on a TT makes for better cross wind resistance, better ability to handle tripping hazards, and better braking, not just better handling according to TV steering wheel inputs.

A TV that is inferior in this respect is an otherwise inferior tow vehicle where the trailer is more likely to stay upright. Literally, where the TV becomes the source of the problem.

Driving "skill" is not the point. Reducing -- minimizing -- risk IS the key on a valid statistical basis. The best design is demonstrably safer.

The experience of others proves nothing one way or another. On these threads it's just confirmation bias.
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Old 06-10-2015, 05:57 PM   #76
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Cars do hold the road better snd corner better. I just go a little slower in trucks. Cars ride better over rough pavement- they don't have all that bouncin' an' swayin' an' hoppin' goin' on. I am able to navigate downtown a little quicker in a car. I did live 6 years between cars and had pickups and SUV's in between.


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Cars ride better over rough pavement
You apparently never owned a C3

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Nope. Always wanted a Corvette, but will likely never own one. It still handles better than a pickup or SUV.


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Old 06-11-2015, 08:37 AM   #79
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We have lots of deer on our back roads, quite a few people swerved to miss them, usually ending up in the borrow ditch upside down, I do not swerve, I hit the brakes staying in my lane, if they are still standing there, so be it, at least I am still upright , usually the ones who ended up in the ditch upside down don't make it.....
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We have lots of deer on our back roads, quite a few people swerved to miss them, usually ending up in the borrow ditch upside down, I do not swerve, I hit the brakes staying in my lane, if they are still standing there, so be it, at least I am still upright , usually the ones who ended up in the ditch upside down don't make it.....

Hi, hit the horn and slam on the brakes; If it doesn't move, hit it. People cause more problems from panicking and take other vehicles with them.
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In South Texas the argument is in favor of full replacement Ranch Hand bumpers. The upfront cost will be lower than damage caused by livestock or wildlife in collisions.

That still does not negate the fact of pickup truck rollover.

A pickup has its uses, but it is not the intelligent default choice for towing one of these trailers.
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This has been both a very interesting...and entertaining...thread! Being new to both towing and Airstream in general, I'm getting more comfortable with the idea that my F150 5.4L, 4x4, 145" WB, 7200# GVWR/15,500 GCWR could handle the FC 23D without any major issues.
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This has been both a very interesting...and entertaining...thread! Being new to both towing and Airstream in general, I'm getting more comfortable with the idea that my F150 5.4L, 4x4, 145" WB, 7200# GVWR/15,500 GCWR could handle the FC 23D without any major issues.

Hi, you should be fine; I towed my 25'er for ten years with a 5.4L Lincoln Navigator.
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TV questions bring out all of us with opinions. Distill it all down and do like you did ... with all the available info make your own informed decision! Its a 23 foot AS...you definitely don't need a 1 ton Dually
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