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Old 06-24-2019, 08:11 AM   #71
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:41 AM   #72
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I hadn't thought of those! Kind of in the same realm as the Cayenne Turbos, similar sized tires too. Another decent rig might be the Mercedes GLE (7,200lb cap) or GLS. I had a customer take a GLE350 up doing all the "Jeep roads" in Colorado without issue and I've put the GLS450 with offroad pkg through its paces on a test course and I have to say I wouldn't have done a lot of it with our Jeep Rubicon. With 7500lb towing capacity is very close to the Cayenne, Q7, Touareg family. The GLS550 has 450hp.
Yea, fun to drive when not hooked up, right? But when your towing a 7,000+ Airstream, with a 800-1000lb tongue weight, along with passengers, gear, perhaps a generator, firewood, etc., your likely over your payload rating with those "fun" suv's...Then there is the misconception that those "big brakes" are for stopping both your vehicle and the 7K+ TT your towing at 65+ MPH going down a steep grade, and it's raining outside with wind...Hold it; I just mentioned some logical considerations, but I scared myself!

Seriously, all those things are important when deciding on your TV...but, many folks enjoy the road with their SUV's throwing caution to the wind. I went thru 2 new Tahoes with my first 25'AS, before getting a 1/2T F150EB 4x4...night and day. Now the F250 for my 28'; again, night and day over the F150...many posts from experienced owners have same experience..enjoy but be safe out there!
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:36 AM   #73
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What Truck to Purchase?

If the truck is whatís stopping my trailer instead of the trailer brakes, I most likely already have problems from which super huge truck brakes probably couldnít save me.
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Yea, fun to drive when not hooked up, right? But when your towing a 7,000+ Airstream, with a 800-1000lb tongue weight, along with passengers, gear, perhaps a generator, firewood, etc., your likely over your payload rating with those "fun" suv's...Then there is the misconception that those "big brakes" are for stopping both your vehicle and the 7K+ TT your towing at 65+ MPH going down a steep grade, and it's raining outside with wind...Hold it; I just mentioned some logical considerations, but I scared myself!

Seriously, all those things are important when deciding on your TV...but, many folks enjoy the road with their SUV's throwing caution to the wind. I went thru 2 new Tahoes with my first 25'AS, before getting a 1/2T F150EB 4x4...night and day. Now the F250 for my 28'; again, night and day over the F150...many posts from experienced owners have same experience..enjoy but be safe out there!
Of course you're right, it makes driving unhooked much more pleasurable as well! I think you might be surprised how well they tow. I would go far as to say they tow better, not just ok. I was initially towing with my Crew Cab GMC Sierra with the towing PKG. It wasn't enjoyable. We sought out a Cayenne Turbo mainly to pull our camper.

It has 200 more hp (500hp) and never loses speed up hills. The four wheel air suspension keeps things comfortable and level. The big brakes never fade or cook like my Sierra did (even when using trailer brakes.) The Cayenne is equipped with a towing module that changes shift patterns, stability control, ABS, even the security system and trailer lights are monitored whenever the trailer is connected. The all-wheel drive and wider tires don't hurt anything either. On top of all that is very comfy and has all the amenities you'd expect from a luxury SUV. Our generation (08-10) aren't very expensive these days. You can source them under $20k expecting to put a few into it for maintenance.
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Of course you're right, it makes driving unhooked much more pleasurable as well! I think you might be surprised how well they tow. I would go far as to say they tow better, not just ok. I was initially towing with my Crew Cab GMC Sierra with the towing PKG. It wasn't enjoyable. We sought out a Cayenne Turbo mainly to pull our camper.

It has 200 more hp (500hp) and never loses speed up hills. The four wheel air suspension keeps things comfortable and level. The big brakes never fade or cook like my Sierra did (even when using trailer brakes.) The Cayenne is equipped with a towing module that changes shift patterns, stability control, ABS, even the security system and trailer lights are monitored whenever the trailer is connected. The all-wheel drive and wider tires don't hurt anything either. On top of all that is very comfy and has all the amenities you'd expect from a luxury SUV. Our generation (08-10) aren't very expensive these days. You can source them under $20k expecting to put a few into it for maintenance.
Pound for pound the Cayenne is one of the best tow vehicles out there. The trouble is it doesn't have the pounds, nor the axle ratings, to tow a larger Airstream. Its rated for only about 600 lbs tongue load.
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Pound for pound the Cayenne is one of the best tow vehicles out there. The trouble is it doesn't have the pounds, nor the axle ratings, to tow a larger Airstream. Its rated for only about 600 lbs tongue load.
I havenít towed with one, just with a similar X5, but I agree it is one of the best from all reports.

Note that the axle ratings donít limit the vehicle to 600 lbs tongue weight, the receiver does. Fortunately, there are solutions and alternatives to the stock receiver readily available.
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I havenít towed with one, just with a similar X5, but I agree it is one of the best from all reports.

Note that the axle ratings donít limit the vehicle to 600 lbs tongue weight, the receiver does. Fortunately, there are solutions and alternatives to the stock receiver readily available.
The problem is it goes 177 mph but my Airstream tires are only good for 87 mph.
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Porsche?Touareg receiver rating is 770lbs in US. Europeans use a different ratio for their different style of hitch of 8% or 616lbs. But payload is the real limiting factor.
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Porsche?Touareg receiver rating is 770lbs in US. Europeans use a different ratio for their different style of hitch of 8% or 616lbs. But payload is the real limiting factor.
Yes. Euoropeans use the factor of 8% tongue weight for safe towing (on the ball). The question is, at what speed? If they are selling in the US I assume that is 80 mph, the top trailer speed in the US (Texas).
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Heck there are some people posting on this forum that swear by Chrysler 300 sedans are better for towing 30' Classics than any pickups, 1/2 ton and above, and they talk novices into the " minimalist " purchases. Unbelievable. In my humble opinion, up to a 25', you can get by with any 1/2 ton, over that length, better off with a 3/4-1 ton, gas or diesel, your choice. The argument that these HD trucks are harsh to drive solo, just isn't true anymore.
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People complain that the HD truck has too harsh of a ride for a daily driver just shows how soft we have gotten compare to our forefathers that crossed the US in a covered wagon. I'm not excluding myself from the statement since I oped for Ram 2500 with coil springs and probably the best ride of all the HD truck.
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People complain that the HD truck has too harsh of a ride for a daily driver just shows how soft we have gotten compare to our forefathers that crossed the US in a covered wagon. I'm not excluding myself from the statement since I oped for Ram 2500 with coil springs and probably the best ride of all the HD truck.

Well, that's a big improvement for the RAM 2500, as the suspension used to be so tough it was known as a brick on wheels - at least by my brother, who had one for a while, haha.


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The problem is it goes 177 mph but my Airstream tires are only good for 87 mph.

Haha, Great quote!

it's a very comfortable 87mph though!
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Pound for pound the Cayenne is one of the best tow vehicles out there. The trouble is it doesn't have the pounds, nor the axle ratings, to tow a larger Airstream. Its rated for only about 600 lbs tongue load.
I have towed our 27FB many thousands of trouble free miles with the Cayenne. It weighs upwards of 6000 lbs, so it has a bit of heft. The hitch is actually rated for 770 lbs. For what its worth, it is exactly the same hitch that has a 614lbs sticker on it but they actually updated the rating and if you have one of the hitches with the lower rating sticker, Porsche will provide an updated sticker. It is the exact same hitch as the Touareg and Audi.

With WD, my rear axle is under max, as is the overall GVW. And with its 26gal tank I have a range of about 275 miles.
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