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Old 05-20-2005, 06:48 PM   #29
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...like a 1965 Lincoln Continental. Automatic, V8, 430 cu.in. engine. 52k miles. What do you think? Can it pull my 26' '63 Overlander with ease? Can you see problems with this set-up?
The 1965 Lincoln should handle the Overland easily, I find that it is easier to tow with my 1977 Lincoln than the 1973 Dodge PowerWagon, due to the larger more powerful engine and the softer suspension. The only issue with the 60's Lincoln's is the unibody construction and finding a shop which can correctly fabricate a hitch, you probably won't find a bolt on hitch anywhere.

The Lincoln also has the torque peak at about 60MPH and a lot more than the Dodge.

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Old 05-20-2005, 11:36 PM   #30
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Hey, YES, that's what I wanted to hear...

That's funny, because I was looking at a 60's Dodge station wagon too. ; )

So, you haven't had any transmission problems or overheating problems with your Lincoln?

So, you're saying I'd have to have a custom towing package made for it?
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Old 05-21-2005, 12:13 AM   #31
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That's funny, because I was looking at a 60's Dodge station wagon too. ; )

So, you haven't had any transmission problems or overheating problems with your Lincoln?

So, you're saying I'd have to have a custom towing package made for it?
I had a large transmission cooler installed along with the hitch. I had a custom hitch manufactured mainly because I did not want to install it. Been towing for a little over a year with the Lincoln and no problems.

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Old 05-21-2005, 01:54 AM   #32
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What about....

The Fords ? I have a 1995 f 250 with a 460 engine in it. I have found it to be an excellent towing vehicle. Yes, it is a bit thirsty when towing thru the hills. It seems to have no problem keeping hiway speed even uphill. I do know that regular oil changes are very important on these engines. Ford had an oiling problem early on with the 460 engines, not getting enough on the top end. I think they solved that with the later models ( larger oil passages ). I change mine every 3k. I could not ask for a more reliable towing vehicle. I have had it loaded down with a horse trailer (2 1500 lb horses plus trlr weight & gear). Hardly knew it was back there, unless the horses got a bit excited. I feel that I could drive cross country tomorrow and not have a second thought about it. I would be leary of towing with anything less than a 3/4 ton Ford or Suburban. You have the weight ahead of the trailer ( my p/u weighs in at 6700 lbs, its a fwd ) . It tows my Caravel very nicely even without the weight distributing bars. I didn't sway at all when I picked it up. Maybe when I upgrade to an Overlander or something a bit bigger, I'll notice the difference.

I have read on the forums about some people towing with a 90-95,97? Toyota suv. They are lightly sprung in the rear and at the very least you should use weight distributing hitches with them. However, the imports that are coming out now seem to have the kahones' to handle a larger AS than they did before.

Anyway, just my 2 cents !!!
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Old 05-21-2005, 06:42 PM   #33
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I bought a 2001 2500 Suburban with the 8.1 litre engine. It had 36K on the clock but looked new. I think that this is the same engine Airstream will be using in the new Classic motorhome. I can't say enough good about this engine. It has loads of power. Going up even steep hills, towing a 31' Airstream it never feels like it's straining. The only drawback is at the pumps.
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I was definitely headed in the direction of buying a Ford F250, but read Kevin's excerpts about the Suburban. Now I'm torn. For anyone who is reading this string of notes, here is the link for the Lincoln I'm thinking about buying: http://www.musclecars-and-classics.c..._Lincoln_1.htm

As you can tell, I'm all over the place right now; just want to get my BABY HOME!!!!!!! (Which involves 1800 miles-- 200 through the Appalachian Mtns.) <gulp>
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Old 05-21-2005, 10:18 PM   #35
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What tow vehicle would you suggest?

Greetings 63 princess!

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...like a 1965 Lincoln Continental. Automatic, V8, 430 cu.in. engine. 52k miles. What do you think? Can it pull my 26' '63 Overlander with ease? Can you see problems with this set-up?
The '65 Lincoln Continental should be able to handle a '63 Overlander with few problems. The biggest expense (if it hasn't already been done) will be having the heads fitted with hardened valve seats -- the engine was designed for leaded fuel and will be subject to severe problems with valve recision if utilized for towing without the inserts. I had my '65 Dodge Coronet's 383 cubic inch V8 fitted with the hardened valve seats way back in 1980 after experiencing valve recision after less than 1,000 miles of towing my 4,000 pound Nomad travel trailer -- in 1980, the cost to have a mechanic remove the heads, machine shop labor for the inserts, and new valves was nearly $2,000. Most US manufacturers made the hardened valve seats standard between 1970 and 1972.

The biggest plus with a car like the Lincoln is the ability to have the axle ratio changed -- something that is virtually impossible with the front wheel drive Eldorados and Tornados -- I was quoted more than $1,800 in parts alone to switch my Eldorado from 2.70 final drive to the 3.07 final drive (the only other available ratio).

Even with a low mileage, original vehicle, you will need to be prepared for a signficant number of upgrades to insure dependable towing service. Based on having equipped two different vintage (1965 and 1975) automobiles for towing, I would expect at the very least to have the radiator rodded out (and recored if it isn't a heavy duty 4-row core), new hydraulic brake lines (unless there is good evidence that they have been replaced in the last five or six years), a quality rebuilt brake master cylinder as well as wheel cylinders (I tried to skimp in this regard on my '65 and ended up blowing the seals in both the master cylinder and a wheel cylinder on the first outing with the Nomad), a thorough check of the electric system (my '65 needed a heavier alternator to supply the needs of towing -- electric trailer brakes and 12-volt charge), new or rebuilt springs (front and rear), new shock absorbers, new bushings in front suspension; and as with any tow vehicle, you will need a transmission fluid cooler, class IV receiver hitch, electronic brake controller, and Bargman 7-Pole connector.

In all likelihood, your greatest headache would be finding someone to fabricate a hitch. Many welders virtually refuse to fabricate trailer hitches. I searched for months to find a welder who was willing to fabricate a hitch for my '75 Eldorado -- finally resorted to asking each of the automotive professionals that I frequented for repairs on my vehicles and finally received a referral to a welder who was quite adept at the process.

Something that should be checked if the Lincoln should happen to have torsion bar front suspension is the condition of the the bars, attachment points, and adjusters -- problems with the torsion bars on my Eldorado kept it out of service for more than a year while I located someone who could fabricate new adjustment mechanisms since the parts were obsolete and couldn't be located as NOS anywhere that I searched.

I don't intend to discourage you from pursuing a Vintage tow vehicle, but it is a decision that needs to be made with full knowledge of what might be involved. I haven't regretted fitting out either of my Vintage tow vehicles, but for what I have invested in the Eldorado, I could have had a similar Vintage IHC Travelall, Jeep Wagoneer, or Suburban that wouldn't have required as many modifications.

Good luck with your investigation!

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Definately get a 3/4 ton vehicle designed for towing. You need a heavy duty towing frame like a 3/4 vehicle provides. Personally, anything less is inadequate. The bigger the engine the better. Ideally, a diesel engine has more torque than a gas engine. You need engine torque when going uphill. You also need heavy duty suspension in your vehicle, and an optimal rear end ratio designed for towing.
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Old 06-07-2005, 04:41 AM   #37
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We are adding a second pug to the family and our regular cab Dodge Diesel won't cut it for carrying 2 dogs with us. I found a 2003 Ford E-350 Chateau van with the V-10 and 4.10 gears with 25K miles totally tricked out for towing including tow mirrors for $15.5K. It has Quad captain chairs and a rear bench for 7 passenger seating. It is rated to tow 10,000 lbs.

We pick it up tomorrow and are putting a sale sign on the Dodge Diesel.
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Old 06-09-2005, 07:33 PM   #38
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Hot deals on Dura Max

Am visiting my father in Iowa. Stopped by the local Chevy dealership to look up an old friend. Found that they are having an unbelievable sale on all their tow vehicles. They have all their 2500 DuraMax pick ups discounted about $10,000. I can purchase a fairly loaded crew cabtruck (everything but has cloth seats) for $32,249, out the door plus tax.
There are 2500 gas crew cabs for $27,000.
Friend says it is nationwidw but probably not honored in areas where they sell a lot of trucks. Check it out , sale lasts till 7/5.
Looked on autotrader.com and could not find any used 04 or 05 for less than $34,000 comparably equiped.
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No, no, no...

Get a HUMMER! H2

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Old 06-09-2005, 10:50 PM   #40
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Get a HUMMER! H2

Cruise in style!
Cruise in style, ha. There is no style like a 1977 Lincoln Town Car and an Airstream.

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Now that I MUST agree with! Especially because we have a 77 Overlander. We do have a secret wish to tow with a vintage vehicle.
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Old 06-10-2005, 08:02 AM   #42
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Having just returned from my second camping trip to Florida in six months (850 miles round trip each time), I'll add my $.02.

My 2001 E-350 SuperDuty 7.3 powerstroke has been a GREAT tow vehicle! With a 4" exhaust, AFE air filters, and mild performance chip, it averaged 14 mpg on interstate @ 60 mph and almost never came out of overdrive (towing a 6000 lb loaded Overlander as well as 9 bodies...most of them admittedly small). It just has so much torque!!

We replaced our 1999 E-350 SuperDuty 5.4 gas a few months after entering the "Airstream" world last year, and I am glad I convinced my wife to do so. (I wasn't so sure myself either.) Every time I tow, it just puts a bigger smile on my face.

Yes diesels are expensive. Yes, they're a bit loud. Yes diesel fuel costs more than gas. Yes, they last longer. Yes, they have more torque. Yes they get better mileage (generally). Yes, they have higher resale value.

Admittedly, as a grocery getter, it might be a bit overkill. (Although it works well there, too, and averages about 17 mpg all around.) But as a tow vehicle, it is priceless!!
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