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Old 01-08-2015, 11:51 AM   #15
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There are many opinions on the suitability of certain German midsized suv's ability to serve as capable tow vehicles, unfortunitely a 30 foot airstream exceedes the tow rating, cargo capacity and gvw of a Cayenne. If you remove the airstream mistique and "German engineering" from many of these tow vehicle arguments the weight alone that is being towed unfortunitely often requires a full size pickup (German pickup if you prefer) or above.
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:25 PM   #16
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I have a '03 30 ft and I have a 2010 Toyota Crew Max. I have 75000 klms ( 46,000 miles) most are from towing. I have towed 30', 32 ' and 34' ASs and not a problem. Hills or valleys or trans versing between both. When I hook up, there isn't any discernible drop in the bumper height and both units sit straight. Starting and stopping are a breeze, even panic stops at highway speeds. As long as the brakes are set correctly, no worries.
As the old saying--" come big or stay home" applies to what you drive or tow and what you want to drive or tow. Options are like---- (another thread)
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:28 PM   #17
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I use a 2500 HD, Silverado, Duramax, 4x4 for my 34'. I could tow with a 1500 gas model... but, this is my personal choice NOT to. Match your loaded weight to your TV.

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+1 ... and add a cap/topper to the truck bed.
If you don't mind the additional expense of a 3/4 diesel, many would advise that it is better to be "over-trucked than under-trucked". We found that to be particularly true when towing a large displacement sailboat!
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:57 PM   #18
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Just bought a 2015 F350 crew cab short bed. Averages 15 mpg towing 10k over hill n dale, 17+ empty, more than offsets V10 gas mpg i had prior, $ wise, Mtc. will be more but what a truck! Picking up a 27FB so towed weight will even be less.


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Old 01-08-2015, 02:42 PM   #19
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When we bought our used Classic 30, I towed it home from Ohio to our place near Toronto with our 1/2 ton truck that I had used for previous shorter and much lighter non-Airstream trailer.

The 1/2 ton worked great with our previous trailer. In fact before buying the pickup truck, I had towed that previous trailer with a Safari minivan, and while it hd enough power, driving was always a bit of white knuckle affair. I always felt as though the tail was about to "wag the dog" at any minute. Moving up from the minivan to the heavier and longer pickup made for a much more relaxing experience when towing that trailer.

Now, when towing the longer & considerably heavier airstream home on that first trip with our half ton truck, I had that same feeling of being a bit on the edge of things. White knuckle time again! Power seemed ok, but then it as a pretty flat trip between the dealer in Ohio and our home!

I probably could have stuck with the half ton truck. It was rated to tow the weight - but only just - and perhaps if I had bought a Hensley or Propride hitch for it that might have made things better.

At the time however, based on my experience towing the Airstream home on that first trip, I decided that especially since by then I was retired and planned on long trips each year, I was only going around once, so might as well treat myself and do things right (at least my version of right!)

I opted for a 3/4 ton crew cab diesel with Hensley hitch. No more white knuckles and towing is a very enjoyable and relaxed experience and for me it was certainly the right decision - we have used this truck now since 2008 when I bought it new.

You will perhaps hear from some people who tow with much much lighter vehicles - often not rated by the manufacturer to tow such large trailers.

From what I have read from them, they seem to be totally satisfied and I have no reason to disbelieve them nor to criticize. We each have to make our own decisions as to what is right for us!.

I suppose that despite living in Canada, I fall into the group that feels that you cannot have enough tow vehicle. Not only is the journey so relaxed, but I have never felt the tow vehicle to be anywhere near being "challenged" even towing through mountain substantial ranges.

Personally I also feel it is safer. No doubt others might feel this to be an illusion, maybe it is, but that is still the way I feel, and I think with some justification!

Being a bit of a worry wart, I would also feel nervous about liability issues if I were in a mishap when charge of a tow vehicle not rated by its manufacturer to tow the weight of trailer behind me! To be truthful however, I have not heard of anyone getting into legal problems in this regard so perhaps it just does not happen.

You will often read advice on this forum that using 3/4 or 1 ton trucks with their suspension is likely to cause damage to cause trailer.

I cannot state this to be untrue and perhaps in the longer term, it might well be a factor.

I can only comment from my own experience towing over 30,000 miles with the 3/4 ton truck, I have yet to see any evidence of damage yet.

Incidentally, we also use the truck as our daily driver. Granted at times it can be a bit of a pig to park, but not really a big deal - my wife, under five feet, drives it more than I do without problem!

Good luck with whatever you decided upon!

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Old 01-08-2015, 03:02 PM   #20
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Hi, if cost is no object, I would buy a Kenworth or a Freightliner. In reality, you should buy a 250 / 2500 or a 350 / 450 / 3500 truck.
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:49 PM   #21
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Porsche Cayenne towing capacity

7716 pounds....

Should adequately pull any AS but a Classic with no issues. But, having been this route, with a gasoline Cayenne Turbo, I would not purchase one except to take a look at the specs on the new Diesel when it is finally here, then decide if this works.

The big Kenworth's and other tow rigs are great..... unless, one wants to get more than 6 mpg..... but with 250 gallons of fuel, who knows....

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Our 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI diesel had the power to pull the new empty 2023 25FB home from Los Angles to Phoenix. The scales reported the weights were okay. Once the trailer was loaded for camping, my wife and I crossed the scales with the rig. We were over loaded on the front axle and GVW of the car.

We switched to a new 2012 Dodge Ram 2500HD with Cummins and modified the suspension and and fuel system. It pulled the 25FB easily and does a great job with the 2014 Classic. The increase of GVW from 7,300 pounds for 25FB to 10,000 pounds for the Classic does not faze this truck. It pulls well both up and down mountain with engine braking a bonus.

I did a lot of research and could not find a half ton rated truck with the necessary payload for what we carry in the back under a camper shell and the tongue weight we have with our modified Classic.
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In Phoenix, AZ, today, diesel is 90-cents higher than gasoline.

Just curious... With a diesel tow vehicle's initial engine-upgrade cost, extra weight, expensive oil changes and periodic maintenance, higher priced fuel, and higher repair cost when the engine breaks down; is a diesel-powered vehicle still preferred, even if a gasoline engine is available that is powerful enough to satisfactorily tow a specific Airstream model?
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That's a call only you can make. As for myself I would buy the identical F350 diesel again


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I have a '03 30 ft and I have a 2010 Toyota Crew Max. I have 75000 klms ( 46,000 miles) most are from towing. I have towed 30', 32 ' and 34' ASs and not a problem. Hills or valleys or trans versing between both. When I hook up, there isn't any discernible drop in the bumper height and both units sit straight. Starting and stopping are a breeze, even panic stops at highway speeds. As long as the brakes are set correctly, no worries.
As the old saying--" come big or stay home" applies to what you drive or tow and what you want to drive or tow. Options are like---- (another thread)

2 Tundras pulling 30' Airstreams. We're outnumbered...
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In Phoenix, AZ, today, diesel is 90-cents higher than gasoline.

Just curious... With a diesel tow vehicle's initial engine-upgrade cost, extra weight, expensive oil changes and periodic maintenance, higher priced fuel, and higher repair cost when the engine breaks down; is a diesel-powered vehicle still preferred, even if a gasoline engine is available that is powerful enough to satisfactorily tow a specific Airstream model?
A good point and I would think very carefully if/when trading our present
truck - but I have a feeling that even after doing the sums and concluding that a gasser made more sense, I would still be very tempted by the diesel!

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A paid-for truck vs. a $40,000 cash outlay or financing makes since. How much diesel or gas can I buy for $40,000?
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If you are going to pull in the hills and mountains you need a Diesel. Especially if you have a slide. Turbo diesels perform the same at altitude as at sea level. Diesels have much more low end torque than gassers will ever have. As for fuel prices they are coming down fast and remember, diesel has 40-50% more BTUs per gallon. That means fuel consumption is much less than gassers. About 70% of a gasser. Besides diesel engines are built more for long heavy duty service. Maybe an engine life of 300,000 miles. Some of the Ford diesels engines have not done as well in the past. Hopefully, that is now corrected. I think GM has the best engine/running gear/body track record to date. Dodge has a great diesel, but the running gear/body record is wanting.
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