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Old 02-19-2010, 08:56 AM   #1
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What is Chevy up to??

Ok, our friends were looking at a new suburban to tow there sob. They were looking at the new 3/4 ton.

Surprise, surprise when we got looking at the stats. That thing has less power/torque and tows less than my 1/2 ton Sequoia.

This should not be!!!!!!!!


What's next ? A unibody frame?

Now I like my Sequoia but if I was going to buy a 3/4 ton it better have more power/torque and tow rating... The Chevy line up doesn't.

And the 1/2 ton is even more pathetic. it will only tow 8100 lbs.. the 3/4 ton 9600lbs what happened to the 12000 lbs it use to be...

My bet, in a few years, if you want to tow, you will be limited to something used or a truck... Damn right discracful
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Old 02-19-2010, 09:04 AM   #2
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Old 02-19-2010, 09:34 AM   #3
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purman, that 5.7-liter engine in your Sequoia/Tundra is something of a ringer in this class. It's a very impressive powertrain.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to call a 8100 lb towing capacity for a 1/2-ton Suburban "pathetic."

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Old 02-19-2010, 09:37 AM   #4
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Considering who is running GM, I'm surprised they still make a "burb".
I'd buy a Ford F-150 super crew with a topper.
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purman, that 5.7-liter engine in your Sequoia/Tundra is something of a ringer in this class. It's a very impressive powertrain.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to call a 8100 lb towing capacity for a 1/2-ton Suburban "pathetic."

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Go with a Ford...not perfect, perhaps, but I've been pleased with the last 4 we have owned.

The Ford Expedition and F-150 have tow ratings of 9,400 LBS, 9,100 LBS if you go with the Expedition XL (extra length). Ford no longer makes a 3/4 ton SUV, but you can find them used. My F-250 rides better than the Excursion, gives me a place to carry large items when we camp...oh, like a golf cart. Nothing wrong with a Chevy, but if you want more muscle, you will need to go with a truck.
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Old 02-19-2010, 09:58 AM   #6
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purman, that 5.7-liter engine in your Sequoia/Tundra is something of a ringer in this class. It's a very impressive powertrain.

Nevertheless, I find it hard to call a 8100 lb towing capacity for a 1/2-ton Suburban "pathetic."

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You would be lucky to tow a new 28 footer with this burb. The 28 footers push up to 7000 lbs. Plus water propane people and stuff. There goes that 80%. Plus 320 hp and 335 lb ft. Not even close to the sequoia. 382 hp and over 400 lb ft. and I get close to 21 mpg on the highway with my Sequoia. (going 65mph)

I'm just saying it's a sad day when chevy does stuff like this.. I like the burb,



I long for the good old days. When gas was under a $ and you were happy if you got 12mpg on the highway with a big burb or truck...

Chevy talks about being Green.. All these new Hybrids are a joke. There is nothing green about them. The strip mining and gases put into our atmosphere from making all those batteries causes far more damage than the fuel emissions you will ever save.. Those batteries travel pretty much all around the world being made. Plus a lot of the materials come out of China which we all know have no concern what they put in the air...

Now if you want a GREEN car go buy a mini. They use more recycled mertiral in that car than any other. And get great MPG>.

Sorry to rant... The old 1/2 tons use to do what the 3/4 ton do now...
What's the point????
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:03 AM   #7
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Chevy has been in trouble for a while. I have a 2007 Chevy base work truck that has round 77,000 miles on it, the only thing I haven't had problems with has been the v-6 engine. At 67,000 it needed a complete front end overhaul and I do mean complete. Chevy considered it to be out of warranty. Then the ECM went bad and was replaced. Currently the dash lights are providing the entertainment, they come and go as they please. Two local Chevy dealers have spent a fair bit of time and my money and still haven't solved the issue. If it were my personal truck it would have been gone a long time ago, but it belongs to the company. My last 4 Fords have all gone well over 300,000 miles with only wear out items being replaced. Two were v-8's one was a V-6 and the other is a 7.3 PSD. I currently have a 2003 F150 with 160,000 miles on it 4.6l V-8 and a 1996 PSD with around 140,000 on it. No problems out of either one so far, and I don't expect any. FWIW our company has a whole fleet of Chevys and my maintenance issues are not unique.

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Chevy talks about being Green.. All these new Hybrids are a joke. There is nothing green about them...
Now if you want a GREEN car go buy a mini. They use more recycled mertiral in that car than any other. And get great MPG.
Mind you, I think most buyers who get Tahoes should just buy Acadia/Traverses. (Our forum world of towing big trailers isn't exactly reflective of how most buyers are using SUVs.)

Regardless, there is a huge difference in space and capability between a Tahoe hybrid and a Mini. GM isn't exactly selling a ton of those hybrids, but for the buyer who just has to buy a SUV (and can live with towing "only" 6000 lbs, plenty for 90% of buyers), it will improve their fuel economy. Improvements in fuel economy on inefficient vehicles save a lot more gasoline than tweaks on already efficient small cars.

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Sorry to rant... The old 1/2 tons use to do what the 3/4 ton do now... What's the point????
I get the feeling that a new 1/2-ton would outperform that old 3/4-ton truck, differences in suspension aside. It would benefit to see where everyone winds up when the new SAE towing evaluation procedure is uniformally used.

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Old 02-19-2010, 10:26 AM   #9
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I am a long time Suburban fan. I currently own two 2500's that I use to tow Lucy far and wide. I have owned five Suburbans in the last fifteen years.

It all started when they took away the rear leaf springs on the 1500 a few years ago. Then they dropped the 8.1 Liter. I'm surprised that the 2500 has lasted at all.

GM seems bound and determined to turn the Suburban into a giant soccer mom minivan. I'm afraid the my next tow vehicle will have to be a pick-up truck.

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I think what you're seeing here is Chevrolet getting ahead of the new ASTM towing standards. The new ratings are real, and the 12,000 lb tow ratings from last year were pure marketing BS.
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You would be lucky to tow a new 28 footer with this burb. The 28 footers push up to 7000 lbs. Plus water propane people and stuff. There goes that 80%. Plus 320 hp and 335 lb ft. Not even close to the sequoia. 382 hp and over 400 lb ft.
According the the Chevrolet web site, the 3/4 ton Suburban has 352hp and 382 lb-ft of torque and up to 9,600 lbs of towing.


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Chevy dropped the 8.1 liter gas engine a couple of years ago. This eliminated the high end towing on the 'Burban. There was a rumor of a diesel 'Burban for 2010 but that got dropped when GM entered bankruptcy. There is now talk of new GM SUV models for 2013. This may be the diesel 'Burban I've been waiting for.

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Old 02-19-2010, 11:18 AM   #13
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A few years back the rear axle gears wore out in my 96 Suburban. I was astonished to find it had a 10 bolt rear axle - no wonder it wore out.

When this axle was introduced in the late 60s it was used only in Novas and six cylinder Chevelles. V8 cars and all pickup trucks got the heavier 12 bolt unit.

No way in the world is this rear axle man enough for a 4X4 350V8 Suburban towing a trailer.

Another thing that jarred me. The local Chev dealer wanted $1400 for a new crown gear and pinion. That is not installed and no accessories, just a crown gear and pinion.

I bought an aftermarket set from a well known maker of drag racing equipment, their heavy duty model, for $179 .

I used to be a GM fan, they had to drive me away and force me to stop buying their vehicles.
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This thread really makes me like my 1985 burb even more. She drives like a tank, can't turn her around inside a football field, but she is still going. Just like the energizer bunny! I put a new engine in her about 6 years ago and then had her painted. I still get stares going down the highway, especially when I am towing the trailer!
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